LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Okeefenokee]

So then, we should just accept that it’s basically open season at any public event? Because we sure as shit aren’t going to do anything about mental healthcare, or dialing back the political insanity, or not invading third world countries for no reason.

Says the forum's numero uno supporter of political violence. Fuck off.

[Smitty-48]

Are rapid firing large magazine rifles really necessary to ensure the 2nd amendment or could you live without them and make this sort of massacre virtually impossible for a lone shooter to carry out.

I can change a magazine in under three seconds, so with a five round Canadian magazine, I can put down about 100 rounds per minute, and in fact I've done it, I've put down a hundred rounds with a Canadian legal AR, in five round magazines, in under a minute, all center of mass, at 300 meters, you just stack the mags up on the parapet, and as they empty, you just slap another one into the magport, if you don't have to move around, you're just shooting from one spot, and you don't need to recover the magazines and so you just let drop and pile up, you could easily put down a thousand rounds in the time this guy was alotted, just with five round magazines. He had gym bags full of weapons, ammo, and explosives, he could have easily had a gym bag with 200 five round mags, so what's the difference?

You could easily kill fifty people with a Canadian legal AR, ain't no thang. OK, well, maybe you couldn't, but I sure could, bet dat, just takes a little practice, and you can change mags so fast the individual magazine capacity is irrelevant. It's a simple drill, what you do is just put one round in all your mags, and change mags for every shot you take, won't be long until you are changing mags like a pro too.

This guy, blasting away on full auto, he wasn't going for maximum lethality, for maximum lethality, you take it slow and easy, five rounds at a time, make them all count; bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two, three, four, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two, three, four, five round mags, and you can set up and make every shot a kill, if you just take it slow and easy, single aimed shots.

If you give me 20 x 5 round mags 7-6-2, which is totally legal in Canada, I guaruntee 60 kills in 120 seconds, even at 500 yards, with a scope, it's like shooting at under a hundred yards, take that extra second or two with each shot, and it can all be headshots. Honestly, the people were so tightly packed together in that stadium, all just cowering on the ground, you could be taking them two at a time, shooting through one head into the head right behind.

[Okeefenokee]

Are rapid firing large magazine rifles really necessary to ensure the 2nd amendment or could you live without them and make this sort of massacre virtually impossible for a lone shooter to carry out.

I can change a magazine in under three seconds, so with a five round Canadian magazine, I can put down about 100 rounds per minute, and in fact I've done it, I've put down a hundred rounds with a Canadian legal AR, in five round magazines, in under a minute, all center of mass, at 300 meters, you just stack the mags up on the parapet, and as they empty, you just slap another one into the magport, if you don't have to move around, you're just shooting from one spot, and you don't need to recover the magazines and so you just let drop and pile up, you could easily put down a thousand rounds in the time this guy was alotted, just with five round magazines. He had gym bags full of weapons, ammo, and explosives, he could have easily had a gym bag with 200 five round mags, so what's the difference?

You could easily kill fifty people with a Canadian legal AR, ain't no thang. OK, well, maybe you couldn't, but I sure could, bet dat, just takes a little practice, and you can change mags so fast the individual magazine capacity is irrelevant. It's a simple drill, what you do is just put one round in all your mags, and change mags for every shot you take, won't be long until you are changing mags like a pro too.

This guy, blasting away on full auto, he wasn't going for maximum lethality, for maximum lethality, you take it slow and easy, five rounds at a time, make them all count; bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two, three, four, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two, three, four, five round mags, and you can set up and make every shot a kill, if you just take it slow and easy, single aimed shots.

Monty doesn't know the first thing about guns. He sits in his van watching pirated BBC coverage of shit he'll never know anything about, and comes here to tell us all what he learned from that learned source of knowledge he chooses not to pay for.

You could offer excuses for him if he hadn't already made it clear that he hates his country, and wants to see it conquered. His typical display of absolute ignorance is only what should be expected from closet commies who wish to see a world where achievement and ability are subsumed by the pitiful mob.

[Smitty-48]

You know, really, with that many people crammed together like that, fish in a barrel, you could kill 60 at 500 yards, without even using a magazine, you could just hand load sixty rounds into the breach of a bolt action, and make it all headshots, with the kind of time and space this guy had to work with.

Give me the .338 Lapua, with an ammo can full of rounds, 60 would be no thang, no thang at all, hell, with .338, doesn't even need to be headshots, center of mass would kill you dead in your tracks at 500 yards, with .338, don't have to be no commando, it would be just like jacking deer from the back of a pickup, cause that crowd there, was like 22,000 deer in the headlights, and no place to run.

Frankly, if all anybody could get their hands on for a mass shooting, was a high powered bolt action hunting rifle, I think you'd probably cut down on the wounded, but you'd have a lot more dead. Basically all the mass shooters would have to operate as snipers, which would just make them exponentially more lethal, they would just go with the flow, which would be single aimed shots, while taking their time, which would just professionalize them by default.

When you're caught in the fishbowl like that, I don't think 5-5-6 spray n' pray at 500 yards is the worst case scenario, a tactically better shooter, with a .303 Lee Enfield, that would be much worse, I saw people cowering behind a car, with a .303 Lee Enfield, you could shoot them right through that car, you could just shoot at the car, and the .303 would be exploding into them on the other side.

Back when we used 7-6-2, and you were down in the butts, and somebody would hit the wooden frame of the target from six hundred yards, the round would go exploding through and hit the back stop with a full spash, bits of wood spraying down, when we switched to 5-5-6, didn't even go through the wood, at even a hundred yards.

But sometimes back in the day, we'd break out the old World War Two .303 Lee Enfields, and that could actually chop the wooden frame in half, and you'd be like "whoa, wtf was that?!" I don't think it makes a whole lotta difference at close range, but when we were out to 500 yards and beyond, the .303 was king.

If buddy had been blasting away from the Mandalay there, with .303, the rounds would be going through two people and hitting the third one behind them, even if he just wings you from there, with .303, it would practically take your arm clean off, there would be body parts flying everywhere.

I met this old German vet once in back in the FRG, and he had a stump arm, so I says "what happened?" and he says "I raised my hands to surrender, and the British bastard shot me anyways", I says, "you mean they had to amputate your arm?", he says "No, no, my arm flew off up into the air and I had to go look for it after"; .303 Lee Enfield, blew his arm clean off below the elbow.

[Montegriffo]

Are rapid firing large magazine rifles really necessary to ensure the 2nd amendment or could you live without them and make this sort of massacre virtually impossible for a lone shooter to carry out.

I can change a magazine in under three seconds, so with a five round Canadian magazine, I can put down about 100 rounds per minute, and in fact I've done it, I've put down a hundred rounds with a Canadian legal AR, in five round magazines, in under a minute, all center of mass, at 300 meters, you just stack the mags up on the parapet, and as they empty, you just slap another one into the magport, if you don't have to move around, you're just shooting from one spot, and you don't need to recover the magazines and so you just let drop and pile up, you could easily put down a thousand rounds in the time this guy was alotted, just with five round magazines. He had gym bags full of weapons, ammo, and explosives, he could have easily had a gym bag with 200 five round mags, so what's the difference?

You could easily kill fifty people with a Canadian legal AR, ain't no thang. OK, well, maybe you couldn't, but I sure could, bet dat, just takes a little practice, and you can change mags so fast the individual magazine capacity is irrelevant. It's a simple drill, what you do is just put one round in all your mags, and change mags for every shot you take, won't be long until you are changing mags like a pro too.

This guy, blasting away on full auto, he wasn't going for maximum lethality, for maximum lethality, you take it slow and easy, five rounds at a time, make them all count; bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two, three, four, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two, three, four, five round mags, and you can set up and make every shot a kill, if you just take it slow and easy, single aimed shots.

If you give me 20 x 5 round mags 7-6-2, which is totally legal in Canada, I guaruntee 60 kills in 120 seconds, even at 500 yards, with a scope, it's like shooting at under a hundred yards, take that extra second or two with each shot, and it can all be headshots. Honestly, the people were so tightly packed together in that stadium, all just cowering on the ground, you could be taking them two at a time, shooting through one head into the head right behind.

That's the point though. This kind of weapon needs no years of training and practise to fire at a high rate. This guy was not ex-military yet he was able to fire hundreds of rounds, kill 50 and wound hundreds. With an automatic rifle even I could kill and maim scores of people.

[Smitty-48]

That's the point though. This kind of weapon needs no years of training and practise to fire at a high rate. This guy was not ex-military yet he was able to fire hundreds of rounds, kill 50 and wound hundreds. With an automatic rifle even I could kill and maim scores of people.

He chose 5.56x45mm at 500 yards, and then he fired it on fully automatic, that literally saved hundreds of lives, he chose the wrong caliber weapon for engaging at that range, and then he just sprayed rounds instead of taking aimed shots, that's why there is so many wounded, but not so many dead, if he had chosen the correct caliber for that range, and then took single aimed shots with it, it would have been exponentially worse.

If an ex-military guy like me decided to go postal like that, it would be the opposite, 529 killed and 59 wounded.

The training is all about tactics, it's not about the gun it's all about the shooter, and a professional shooter knows; full auto with a rifle, mostly a waste of ammo, if you wanna kill more people; single aimed shots, and don't rush it, take your time.

[Smitty-48]

See, this is the problem, people who don't know guns nor how to use them, think they know how to save lives by banning certain types of guns and accesories, breed bans, when in fact, they will achieve the opposite, because what will happen is, these mass shooters will have to get better at what they do, in order to be mass shooters, necessity would breed invention.

If all they had is five round mags, which is unrealistic because there's so many mags in circulation already, but let's pretend that you could actually get rid of all the thirty round mags and just have five rounders; that would just force them to slow down and take their time with single aimed shots, and in the process, they'll kill exponentially more people, because high capacity is not actually deadlier, that's a fallacious delusion, if you had to slow down and take your time, because you were capacity limited, that would make you a better shooter by default, and better would equal exponentially more dead people.

In reality, the popularity of the AR and 5.56, actually makes mass shooters less deadly not more, if they ever figure out how to go about this in a more systematic and professionalized manner, the WIA will go down, but the KIA will go up respectively, so what is killed now, that becomes the number of wounded, and what is wounded now, that becomes the dead.

So would this be worth violating the second amendment? Nope, because not only wouldn't it work, it would just backfire. Right now they're mostly spray n' pray clowns who have no idea what they're doing, but if you forced them to get better at what they do, you'd be forcing them to become actual snipers, they'd have to get good at this shit in order to be effective, and of course they would, they would all just go out and start training to do this right the first time, and then what would be the answer from liberals? Let me guess, ban people from learning?

Every time I see one of these things on the news and it says 50 or 60 dead, I think; thank goodness, just another spray n' pray clown, lord have mercy if these clowns ever figure out how to do this shit like pros. Seriously, 22,000 fish in a barrel, and only 59 dead? That's a miracle, I shit you not, because if a real deal operator ever comes along to do something like this, anything less than 500 dead would be a botched job.

Most of the people were just cowering there in the field, nowhere to go, too scared to move, deer in the headlights, with your mags stacked on the parapet, ready for quick change, wouldn't matter the mag capacity, you just bring more mags, and with 7-6-2 SCAR 17 Trjicon site, you could kill hundreds of people, in a matter of minutes, 50 a minute, for ten to twenty minutes, just for a warm up.

In the three to four seconds it takes you to slap another five round mag in the rifle, that's just time to look for another cluster of targets, oh, there's five people clustered over there, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, changing mags, maybe stop to take in some water, gotta stay hydrated, oh, look, another cluster, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, changing mags, uh-oh, some people running for the exits over there, can't have that, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, changing mags...

If people actually trained to do these things, and all the information is open source, it's not top secret, it's just common sense boot camp soldiering level of information, then they could stack as many mags as they needed to, and then hit 80% of their targets in the head, so instead of people just being clipped at random by rounds being sprayed wildly, maybe hit in the ass, maybe hit in the ankle, it would just be one headshot after the next, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two three four, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, two three four, in a rythm of exploding heads.

If the mass shooters are inclined to be wannabe Tony Montana's, blasting away on auto with the bump stocks? Could be worse, could force them to slow down and take their time, which is how you actually kill the most people, or as the professionals say....

... slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

Force this to get militarized, it's gonna get more evil not less, the psyops will come into play, shoot the kids, shoot to wound, when the adults come to save them, shoot to kill, but don't kill them kids, cause the adults will keep coming to the crocodile, they can't help themselves, that kid screaming, that's gonna draw them into the kill zone, and then slow is smooth, smooth is fast, wash rinse repeat, and kill them all. The kids bleed out and die slower, because all the adults that tried to save them, they were dead the moment they made their move, and it only took a moment to change mags, in between that group coming into the kill zone before the next.

I wouldn't want to bring darwinian evolution into the mass shooter dynamic, evolution is just gonna make them into even nastier monsters than we're dealing with now, they actually suck at this, and they copy cat each others suck, just leave well enough alone, don't force them to slow down, that will just make the killing go faster.

[de officiis]

I think the probability is high for bumper stocks to become controlled since they violate the spirit of the ban on fully automatic weapons licensing, if not the letter of the law.

Ding ding!

[ssu]

He chose 5.56x45mm at 500 yards, and then he fired it on fully automatic, that literally saved hundreds of lives, he chose the wrong caliber weapon for engaging at that range, and then he just sprayed rounds instead of taking aimed shots, that's why there is so many wounded, but not so many dead, if he had chosen the correct caliber for that range, and then took single aimed shots with it, it would have been exponentially worse.

If an ex-military guy like me decided to go postal like that, it would be the opposite, 529 killed and 59 wounded.

Yeah, but you know what, Smitty?

Ex-military guys aren't usually homicidal psychopaths. The more training they've had, the more have they been screened. They might be unsocial, they might have personal problems and in the end some might commit suicide, but they seldom go and want to murder as many people as the possibly can before committing murder.

Just like all the professionals that use explosives in their work. Now those people could also do "far more better" bomb attacks, know how much it will take to have a building truly collapse instantly, which causes maximum damage. But you know what, for some reason, they don't do it.

It's some fucking loon with serious mental problems...

This psycho was just a bit older, so I guess he thought about how to do it.

[Smitty-48]

He chose 5.56x45mm at 500 yards, and then he fired it on fully automatic, that literally saved hundreds of lives, he chose the wrong caliber weapon for engaging at that range, and then he just sprayed rounds instead of taking aimed shots, that's why there is so many wounded, but not so many dead, if he had chosen the correct caliber for that range, and then took single aimed shots with it, it would have been exponentially worse.

If an ex-military guy like me decided to go postal like that, it would be the opposite, 529 killed and 59 wounded.

Yeah, but you know what, Smitty?

Ex-military guys aren't usually homicidal psychopaths. The more training they've had, the more have they been screened. They might be unsocial, they might have personal problems and in the end some might commit suicide, but they seldom go and want to murder as many people as the possibly can before committing murder.

Just like all the professionals that use explosives in their work. Now those people could also do "far more better" bomb attacks, know how much it will take to have a building truly collapse instantly, which causes maximum damage. But you know what, for some reason, they don't do it.

It's some fucking loon with serious mental problems...

This psycho was just a bit older, so I guess he thought about how to do it.

Yeah, that's true, but on the other hand, you don't actually have to serve in the military to train to be an operator these days, it's all OSINT now, I think it's just a matter of time until a homemade operator pulls a stunt like this, and he's not gonna spray n' pray with an AR, he'll take his time, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, that's all you need to know, it's not about the gun, it's not about the drill instructors, it's all about tactics, and those tactics, you can get on youtube now, no problemo.