DACA

[Xenophon]

Slavery light? I see immigrants in this country at a place I work, Guatemalans. They buy tons of stuff, carts are usually full, sometimes they're even using two because one isn't enough. I'd estimate we have a sizable population around here, it's about (from pure ballpark guess) 5-10% of our customers, you see them pretty constantly. They don't look like they're hurting. They eat better than I do and don't speak the native language. Funny thing is is when they need help, we all use our phones to use google translate. Yet we treat them like every other customer. Sure that's anecdotal evidence, but if their wages are so horrible, why'd they migrate here? They're using our services anyways, and they're free to leave when they want, so I don't see the slavery aspect. You can't be a slave if you're free to leave at any time.

Here is my problem, if they really wanted to be Americans, then they should embrace our culture. I'm happy to have people here who want to be Americans, and want to assimilate, bringing their own flavor with them, but if they put their own country's flag over America's flag? Well that means they're that country's citizen and perhaps they should go back to that country if they venerate it higher than America. At that point, that's where I draw the line. I wouldn't give those people amnesty. That's economic parasitism. Now that's not a practical solution for determining who to give amnesty, but it's more of a "Why are you here if you revere your own home country so highly?" Someone wants to come here and try their best to be an American and try to move the American Ideal forward? :goteam:

Coming here just to send American dollars back to your home country?

I didn't say they hurt. They're not slaves like on the plantations of old. More like the slaves of ancient Rome. I don't doubt they have money.

Edit: wrong pic

Wait, so are you arguing they're slaves, or that they have it better than normal American citizens? You can't argue both at-the-same-time.

No where did he imply they have it better than normal American citizens.

[Kazmyr]

They should apply for asylum like any other refugee. That is well regulated. People from Mexico aren't refugees.

He makes a case for why Mexicans jumping the border are actually refugees. Maybe not actual refugees (and thus being able to avail themselves of asylum - because he didn't touch that), but in essence they are - due to the Mexican government being a cesspool/cartel control.

Here's an article from someone who recently visited the Mexican Narcowastes.

http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/ ... ico-rising

For readers who have not traveled in Mexico recently or only know the country from the border areas, Mexico today is far from the Mexico of even a few decades ago. What we saw over our five day visit is a rapidly growing industrial powerhouse with modern infrastructure and gleaming new industrial parks. The dysfunctional narco state sensationalized by the media was nowhere in evidence. The Mexico City Metro Area with a population of 22 million is the largest city in the Western Hemisphere and continues to be a magnet for jobs and economic opportunity. The state of Guanajuato, like Arizona, is landlocked. A short two decades ago it was primarily an agricultural and mining region. But by developing new roads and rail links to the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, and cultivating a civic culture friendly to trade, it has created over 50 industrial parks employing tens of thousands of workers and become a manufacturing base for many of the worlds tops companies.

Those poor, brown savages. Come right in sweeties, put your feet anywhere.

26 people killed in northern Mexico gunfight as drug cartel violence continues to rise

Mexico drug cartel violence hits tourist hotspots of Cancun and Los Cabos

Behind Mexico's Most Violent Month

Official figures from the Mexican government show that more than 2,000 people were killed in May, making it the deadliest month on record in Mexico since the government began tracking murders in 1997.

[jediuser598]

I didn't say they hurt. They're not slaves like on the plantations of old. More like the slaves of ancient Rome. I don't doubt they have money.

Edit: wrong pic

Wait, so are you arguing they're slaves, or that they have it better than normal American citizens? You can't argue both at-the-same-time.

No where did he imply they have it better than normal American citizens.

I agree he didn't imply it, he just straight up said it.

[Xenophon]

He makes a case for why Mexicans jumping the border are actually refugees. Maybe not actual refugees (and thus being able to avail themselves of asylum - because he didn't touch that), but in essence they are - due to the Mexican government being a cesspool/cartel control.

Here's an article from someone who recently visited the Mexican Narcowastes.

http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/ ... ico-rising

For readers who have not traveled in Mexico recently or only know the country from the border areas, Mexico today is far from the Mexico of even a few decades ago. What we saw over our five day visit is a rapidly growing industrial powerhouse with modern infrastructure and gleaming new industrial parks. The dysfunctional narco state sensationalized by the media was nowhere in evidence. The Mexico City Metro Area with a population of 22 million is the largest city in the Western Hemisphere and continues to be a magnet for jobs and economic opportunity. The state of Guanajuato, like Arizona, is landlocked. A short two decades ago it was primarily an agricultural and mining region. But by developing new roads and rail links to the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, and cultivating a civic culture friendly to trade, it has created over 50 industrial parks employing tens of thousands of workers and become a manufacturing base for many of the worlds tops companies.

Those poor, brown savages. Come right in sweeties, put your feet anywhere.

26 people killed in northern Mexico gunfight as drug cartel violence continues to rise

Mexico drug cartel violence hits tourist hotspots of Cancun and Los Cabos

Behind Mexico's Most Violent Month

Official figures from the Mexican government show that more than 2,000 people were killed in May, making it the deadliest month on record in Mexico since the government began tracking murders in 1997.

Why would they want to come here if mexico is so bad?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html - Chicago

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/atlanta/crime

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press ... statistics

We obviously live in Somalia.

[Xenophon]

Wait, so are you arguing they're slaves, or that they have it better than normal American citizens? You can't argue both at-the-same-time.

No where did he imply they have it better than normal American citizens.

I agree he didn't imply it, he just straight up said it.

Where, smarty pants?

[jediuser598]

Are you having browser troubles and can't see the image that he posted?

Here is a direct link: http://i.imgur.com/8LcJx85.jpg

[Xenophon]

Are you having browser troubles and can't see the image that he posted?

Here is a direct link: http://i.imgur.com/8LcJx85.jpg

That explains the confusion. I was reading his text. I can't see the image. I'll wait until I'm home, and resume my arguments.

[jediuser598]

Are you having browser troubles and can't see the image that he posted?

Here is a direct link: http://i.imgur.com/8LcJx85.jpg

That explains the confusion. I was reading his text. I can't see the image. I'll wait until I'm home, and resume my arguments.

Haha, I'm half crazy, so when I see something obvious like "the sky is blue" and someone goes "wtf are you talking about" (as we're both looking at it) "The sky isn't blue" I start thinking "Is it me or is it him?"

Holy mother of god, just looked out at the sky, it's all smoke. Fuckin wildfires. Shit, just looked at the news.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new ... ires-rage/

[Kazmyr]

Why would they want to come here if mexico is so bad?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html - Chicago

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/atlanta/crime

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press ... statistics

We obviously live in Somalia.

Sanctuary cities and gibs? Somalia doesn't have those!

[Xenophon]

Why would they want to come here if mexico is so bad?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html - Chicago

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/atlanta/crime

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press ... statistics

We obviously live in Somalia.

Sanctuary cities and gibs? Somalia doesn't have those!

You can gibs bullets in Somalia.