Developments in the area of USPACOM, Pacific Theatre

[Smitty-48]

... the US sends a carrier to the region and it gets hit. You really think if a US carrier hits lets say a mine or a missile strikes it...

Oh ho, now ssu has downgraded from massed ballistic missile raid to "what if a US carrier hit a mine" lol. See what he did there? Never mind that no mine nor missile would actually sink a US carrier, and America has a eleven of them to spare, so no worries.

Enter real world, ssu; obvious bluffing is obvious, China is not going to start a war with the Americans, or anybody else actually, China is bluffing, because China is actually the biggest Paper Tiger evah, a third rate military power in a second rate military power's body, not even in Japan's league, never mind America's.

"ZOMG what if China has sea mines?!!!" Lulz, duck and cover, everyone.

[TheReal_ND]

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My sides are in orbit.

[Smitty-48]

If the Chinese actually started a war over the China Seas, quite frankly, that would simply result in a massive stimulus for the US economy, when the flight to quality from Asia to the US went into stratospheric overdrive, and the American MIC went to maximum capacity running three shifts round the clock, in the process of handing the Chinese their asses, any which way the Chinese wanted to play it, so bring it on I say, let's fuckin' go already China, anytime you're ready, my MIC stock is waiting to go through the roof; me likey you long time, braby, me so horny.

[ssu]

... the US sends a carrier to the region and it gets hit. You really think if a US carrier hits lets say a mine or a missile strikes it...

Oh ho, now ssu has downgraded from massed ballistic missile raid to "what if a US carrier hit a mine" lol. See what he did there? Never mind that no mine nor missile would actually sink a US carrier, and America has a eleven of them to spare, so no worries.

Enter real world, ssu; obvious bluffing is obvious, China is not going to start a war with the Americans, or anybody else actually, China is bluffing, because China is actually the biggest Paper Tiger evah, a third rate military power in a second rate military power's body, not even in Japan's league, never mind America's.

"ZOMG what if China has sea mines?!!!" Lulz, duck and cover, everyone.

Starting to invent your strawmen arguments, Smitty... something new from you.

It's only you that have talked about a massed attack on the US Navy, not I. So don't put words into my mouth.

My point was that to counter the US threat, China looks at missiles, not carriers and surface ships. Just to refer what actually is talked about situation in Western Pacific, for instance by the USPACOM commander, seems to be too upsetting for Smitty. Perhaps it goes against your everything-is-a-pushover-for-the-US argument.

[Smitty-48]

I don't find fallacious appeals to authority to be upsetting, I just don't ascribe much credibility to the US PACOM commander, since I know when US combatant commanders start peddling the Domino Theory kool aid, that's just all part of their MIC entrenched interest masters lining up at the taxpayers trough, which doesn't bother me, because quite frankly, I own MIC and am perfectly happy for Lockheed Martin & Co. to build more hardware on the taxpayer's dime, I get paid a dividend from that.

By all means, MIC, whip up hysteria about China, Smitty needs a new truck, but don't think that Smitty is actually gonna drink the kool-aid, just because he profits from it, there's no need to drink the kool-aid to get paid by it.

I mean, heck, I want a war to break out in the China Seas, my dick gets hard just thinking about it, bring it on, braby, me so horny.

I love war, I just hate counterinsurgecy, so fuckin' unsatisfying, but a real shooting war on the brink of nuclear anihlation? Fuck me, I'd cum in my shorts, that would be fuckin' extacy.

If C-901's and LRASM starting criss crossing the SCS while Mk 48's whined through the baffles below? Mother of mayhem, I'd blow my wad all over this here keyboard, make no mistake... but alas, I don't think its gonna happen, because obvious bluffing is obvious.

[ssu]

I don't find fallacious appeals to authority to be upsetting, I just don't ascribe much credibility to the US PACOM commander, since I know when US combatant commanders start peddling the Domino Theory kool aid, that's just all part of their MIC entrenched interest masters lining up at the taxpayers trough,

Who has then credibility? I usually find that generals/admirals are quite honest...assuming if the thing they are talking about isn't overtly political or the focus of attention (as then they morph into politicians). Far more better information you get than from the media. You just have to know some things and then you can notice what things are left out and what should be take with a grain of salt.

which doesn't bother me, because quite frankly, I own MIC and am perfectly happy for Lockheed Martin & Co. to build more hardware on the taxpayer's dime, I get paid a dividend from that.

Then you might have been following the up-and-down ride of your prime minister and the decision about the F-35s. Now if I get it correct (which I presume you know better), first Trudeau promises to give up the costly F-35 and think for a stop-gap option the Superhornet, perhaps just leased from Boeing. Then the F-35 Project threatens that OK, say goodbye to those 100 Canadian firms getting $750 million in contracts. And the Trudeau hints that the F-35 might be on the table...

[Smitty-48]

Who has then credibility?

Me of course, nobody on this here green earth knows more about this shit than me, and certainly not US combatant commanders, those clowns are totally full of shit.

Then you might have been following the up-and-down ride of your prime minister and the decision about the F-35s. Now if I get it correct (which I presume you know better), first Trudeau promises to give up the costly F-35 and think for a stop-gap option the Superhornet, perhaps just leased from Boeing. Then the F-35 Project threatens that OK, say goodbye to those 100 Canadian firms getting $750 million in contracts. And the Trudeau hints that the F-35 might be on the table...

Trudeau is doing Lockmart a solid by ordering 18 Super Hornets, that's just the Government of Canada punting to give Lockmart more time to get the costs down, for when Canada orders the bulk replacement contract ten years from now, and the only option for whichever government is in power, is F-35, plus in the meantime, we get some Super Hornets, it's not like I hate the Super Bug, it's fine as a stop gap until Canada is ready to take delivery of its F-35's.

[TheReal_ND]

obvious bluffing is obvious.

Who's actually doing any bluffing though? I recall China talking tough over the SCS but it seems like our MSM is doing all the actual talking right now. I fucking wonder about ssu's ministry of Truth sometimes. He seems to be tied to the hip with our local liberal media with his talking points as unlikely as that would seem on the face of it.

[ssu]

I love war, I just hate counterinsurgecy, so fuckin' unsatisfying, but a real shooting war on the brink of nuclear anihlation? Fuck me, I'd cum in my shorts, that would be fuckin' extacy.

Insurgency is just that asymmetric-loser-warfare you hate so much. Just plant an mine or an IED and go away... then wait for the enemy to step on it.

[Smitty-48]

obvious bluffing is obvious.

Who's actually doing any bluffing though? I recall China talking tough over the SCS but it seems like our MSM is doing all the actual talking right now. I fucking wonder about ssu's ministry of Truth sometimes. He seems to be tied to the hip with our local liberal media with his talking points as unlikely as that would seem on the face of it.

Well, it's not like the US MIC, er I mean, MSM, minds if the Chinese rattle sabers, it just plays right into the Americans hands, I mean, what better marketing campaign for Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, than "ZOMG DF-21D!!!"?

That's the money shot right there right thur, Aegis Destroyer BMD from the sea, Lockmart AN/SPY series and Raytheon Standard Missile 6, yo.