THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:00 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:It's the typical victim blaming and blame shifting from the democrats these days. I am not sure why they do it, or why they think it works, but there it is.

The democratic party pays for organized rioters to attack American citizens on the streets, and what do they say? "Both sides have bad apples", as if there exists anything comparable on the other side. Muslims committing genocide against Christians and Yazidis? Don't make the Muslims angry, and maybe we should import millions more Muslims, the very same ones committing the genocide..
Yes, those exact same ones. Just like you're the exact same one that dropped a Hellfire missile on somebody's house.
Man gets beaten nearly to death with a metal flagpole for going to the wrong university lecture? People like GCF say he shouldn't have showed up or worn the wrong hat.

It's really quite revolting.
Never said that. I said that either A) He got snuck-up-on by the quietest group of rioters in the history of rioting,
or B) He's a complete imbecile, and kept his MAGA hat on, while surrounded by rioters against MAGA. It's also entirely possible that he mouthed off and antagonized them, as MAGA-morons are wont to do lately.

It takes time to grab a flagpole and find your target, unless you're just walking around with it... during a riot...
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Post by C-Mag » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:31 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote: Further, the failure in Michigan had a lot to do with democratic party corruption, which totally infests the EPA at this point. They are not going to police their own. We all know this.

This is true, and I said when the Lead tainted water story broke there was some inspector who tried to do the right thing and was silenced. Public water is tested monthly. And if contaminants are found SOP is to put out a non potable order. Instead the EPA covered up what was happened and failed in their mission to safeguard the American public.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... /78719620/
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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:40 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote: Further, the failure in Michigan had a lot to do with democratic party corruption, which totally infests the EPA at this point. They are not going to police their own. We all know this.
This is true, and I said when the Lead tainted water story broke there was some inspector who tried to do the right thing and was silenced. Public water is tested monthly. And if contaminants are found SOP is to put out a non potable order. Instead the EPA covered up what was happened and failed in their mission to safeguard the American public.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... /78719620/
It's not as simple as that. EPA did not turn a blind eye, they tried to use the 'process' and goad the state agency (DEQ) to do something about it. From your article:
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s top Midwest official said her department knew as early as April about the lack of corrosion controls in Flint’s water supply — a situation that likely put residents at risk for lead contamination — but said her hands were tied in bringing the information to the public.

Starting with inquiries made in February, the federal agency battled Michigan’s Department of Environmental Quality behind the scenes for at least six months over whether Flint needed to use chemical treatments to keep lead lines and plumbing connections from leaching into drinking water. The EPA did not publicize its concern that Flint residents’ health was jeopardized by the state’s insistence that such controls were not required by law.

Instead of moving quickly to verify the concerns or take preventative measures, federal officials opted to prod the DEQ to act, EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman told The Detroit News this week. Hedman said she sought a legal opinion on whether the EPA could force action, but it wasn’t completed until November.
It's a collective fuck-up at multiple levels.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:16 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
It's not as simple as that. EPA did not turn a blind eye, they tried to use the 'process' and goad the state agency (DEQ) to do something about it. From your article:
Yeah, that's the EPAs excuse.

F - THAT !

Pregnant women, the elderly and defenseless children were being poisoned. That calls for Emergency Action, not some 'process'.

Are you happy with the way the EPA handled it ?
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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:19 pm

C-Mag wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
It's not as simple as that. EPA did not turn a blind eye, they tried to use the 'process' and goad the state agency (DEQ) to do something about it. From your article:
Yeah, that's the EPAs excuse.

F - THAT !

Pregnant women, the elderly and defenseless children were being poisoned. That calls for Emergency Action, not some 'process'.

Are you happy with the way the EPA handled it ?
Of course not. But I don't think that dividing it into State agencies is the answer either (clearly). There simply has to be a Federal EPA, and it has to be powerful. All this political bullshit is designed to make it seem unnecessary, but it's never been moreso.

Return volley: I don't trust every corporation operating upriver from me with my water quality, do you?
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Dand » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:27 pm

So, the EPA and state government allow their residents to be poisoned but corporations are the real problem here?

edit: anyone that knew about it should have whistleblown
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:28 pm

Dand wrote:So, the EPA and state government allow their residents to be poisoned but corporations are the real problem here?

Yep. :whistle:

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Post by C-Mag » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:59 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
C-Mag wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
It's not as simple as that. EPA did not turn a blind eye, they tried to use the 'process' and goad the state agency (DEQ) to do something about it. From your article:
Yeah, that's the EPAs excuse.

F - THAT !

Pregnant women, the elderly and defenseless children were being poisoned. That calls for Emergency Action, not some 'process'.

Are you happy with the way the EPA handled it ?
Of course not. But I don't think that dividing it into State agencies is the answer either (clearly). There simply has to be a Federal EPA, and it has to be powerful. All this political bullshit is designed to make it seem unnecessary, but it's never been moreso.

Return volley: I don't trust every corporation operating upriver from me with my water quality, do you?

The EPA is extremely powerful, yet they fail quite often. As I stated originally they need reform, but I don't want to get rid of them. Because they kind of suck at what they are doing. Making them stronger and more powerful is not the answer. IMHO they need their budget cut and a re-focus on their charter. I mean damn, they have gotten so distracted they are going after small land owners with ponds and getting into the Drug War.

No, I don't trust corporations. But large powerful organizations tend to not give a damn about people, that is true for corporations and government. Look what they did to the Animas River and the Navajo people. Now the EPA won't pay for clean up and they have $159M lawsuit against the EPA.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/17/na ... spill.html
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:15 pm

Time to take back the culture.