Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:47 pm

ssu wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:Well especially in light of the recent Wikileaks that demonstrate how the CIA can false flag "cyber attacks."
Much more it was a show of the technology and the handycraft.

Basically the US launches a broad multi-front information & cyberattack only when it goes to war. Hence only then, for example a journalist that makes somewhat critical article is targeted. But otherwise, the US doesn't care. Hence the whole spectrum of information warfare is just viewed as assistance to the conventional warfare.

Russia doesn't think this way. This is one of the important differences between US and Russia in this field. Where the US resorts to such actions only against a dedicated foe, Russia does this all the time and hence it isn't so noticeable. And thus is the different between peacetime and wartime blurred. Here the Russians are far more smarter than the US. This is evident from the Gerasimov doctrine, defined By a Westerner:
General Valery Gerasimov, the Chief of Staff of the Russian Federation’s military, developed The Gerasimov Doctrine in recent years. The doctrine posits that the rules of war have changed, that there is a “blurring of the lines between war and peace,” and that “nonmilitary means of achieving military and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, exceeded the power of weapons in their effectiveness.” Gerasimov argues for asymmetrical actions that combine the use of special forces and information warfare that create “a permanently operating front through the entire territory of the enemy state.”
What people fail to understand that the information warfare doesn't mean that it's just a precursor to something bigger, that it's made before Putin starts to warm up the tank engines. It basically means that if used correctly, you can achieve your objectives with it without resorting to the conventional military, either through a show of force or conflict.
I see a doctrine but dismissing cuddly bears and gummy bears that turn up in honey pots, what exactly does this entail? Would it involve stealing thousands of government workers information like China? A simple phishing routine that nets dumbass democrats on gay Macs? What is the here here?

Oh and I should add that twitter bots or RT propaganda do not count in my book.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:53 pm

They produce no material proof of any kind to back up the assertion that the Russians "hacked the election". Nothing. It's all conspiracy theory. All this shit is no different than 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Show me the proof or fuck the fuck off.

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Post by Penner » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:18 pm

ssu wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:Even if he did somehow manipulate public opinion successfully to any degree it's still not good enough for the left. We have Bush's old ethics lawyer saying twitter bots and RT amount to treason. Bush's ethics lawyer lol.
As I've said, if Putin would be an American billionaire, some sort of Super-Koch/Soros type with his own Super-Pac henchmen, everything would be just ordinary US politics. It's only the part that it was a foreign country that is a bit uncomfortable for some people.

Just how it happened is the thing here.

If Trump asked a favour from the Russia and they replied "ñooo problem!"? -That would be the impeachment outcome

^^^This is the part, that I think that most Americans are concern about. I mean if Trump and/or his campaign did conspire with Russia on the hacking of the DNC then yeah, that is treason and we will also have election fraud (it would exceed the Watergate scandal of having to break into DNC headquarters to steal information because another foreign party was involved).
If some Manafort just get help from friends? -That would be the typical "Let's throw some little guy under the bus and have amnesia", like during the Iran-Contra scandal. The normal Washington scandal that an able President could wiggle himself out of.
This is possible but if you believe that Manafort is just a scapegoat for Trump then wouldn't that also make you're first mentioned true?
Or did Putin just decide that "Hell with Hillary, guys, were are backing Trump"? Like payback from the election troubles he (Putin) had in Russia? If that would be the case, or if Republicans could simply stall everything, that would be the Clinton ending: yeah, something, but no jail time for anyone.
I do think that this one is the less nefarious one because it just implies that Putin acted on his own and that Trump and his campaign were actually not conspiring with a foreign entity to win a national election.
Or wait, then it's all a huge coincidence, conspiracy, frenzy of fake news. Which Speaker to Animals thinks it is.
At this point, only Trump's really true supporters would believe this and currently the polling has his approval ratings somewhere in the 30s.
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by Martin Hash » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:21 pm

R U implying that Russians hacked the voting machines, or physically changed the vote via computer manipulation? If not, I DON'T CARE. My god, this forum gets "hacked" twice-a-day by "Russians."
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Post by Penner » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:28 pm

Martin Hash wrote:R U implying that Russians hacked the voting machines, or physically changed the vote via computer manipulation? If not, I DON'T CARE. My god, this forum gets "hacked" twice-a-day by "Russians."
Tell me again, why did Nixon resign from being president? Was it because he clearly was going to be impeached by a bipartisan congress for organizing a break-in at the DNC headquarters at Watergate, so he can win an election (and let me point this out, he was running for a second term. This in American politics clearly meant that he was going to win but he wanted to win by a landslide....) . Sure, he didn't actually go out and rig the physical voting booths but he still committed a crime and then tried to cover it up. Sounds familiar? If so this scandal is basically Watergate 2.0 but with Russians.
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by Martin Hash » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:31 pm

NO! It isn't. What R U, a lawyer?
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Post by Martin Hash » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:38 pm

These Impeach Trump people think the folks who voted for him are going to say, "we were wrong so we'll go along with you now." How fuckin' naive can you get?
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by Alexander PhiAlipson » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:43 pm

When discussing Putin/Trump conspiracy theories, it's worth remembering that lead-based paint wasn't banned in the United States until 1978.
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by Penner » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:50 pm

Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:When discussing Putin/Trump conspiracy theories, it's worth remembering that lead-based paint wasn't banned in the United States until 1978.
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I wasn't born in 1978 nor anytime before.
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Re: Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

Post by Penner » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:52 pm

Martin Hash wrote:NO! It isn't. What R U, a lawyer?

Wait are you arguing that Nixon didn't resign from the Office of the Presidency?
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