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Martin Hash
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by Martin Hash » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:58 pm
de officiis wrote:jbird4049 wrote:Okeefenokee wrote:
What a bankrupt argument that is. Go cower in the corner, and hope you don't upset the bad people. We'll handle this.
Umm...
The United States (that's us btw) created the conditions for ISIL to exist. We are directly responsible for the those conditions. I was in the process of writing the highlights on how we Americans are responsible for the current Islamic terroristic, extremists, and specifically for the ISIL and its current effects on the entire Middle East, but I think you think nuance is for fools. Okay.
Is that another way of saying, giving someone an excuse to murder?
Not only that, we owe money, apologies, our White males should be enslaved, and anyway, it's all America's fault.
p.s. Blame America first.
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Speaker to Animals
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by Speaker to Animals » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:08 pm
It's the typical victim blaming and blame shifting from the democrats these days. I am not sure why they do it, or why they think it works, but there it is.
The democratic party pays for organized rioters to attack American citizens on the streets, and what do they say? "Both sides have bad apples", as if there exists anything comparable on the other side. Muslims committing genocide against Christians and Yazidis? Don't make the Muslims angry, and maybe we should import millions more Muslims, the very same ones committing the genocide.. Man gets beaten nearly to death with a metal flagpole for going to the wrong university lecture? People like GCF say he shouldn't have showed up or worn the wrong hat.
It's really quite revolting.
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by Okeefenokee » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:19 pm
jbird4049 wrote:Okeefenokee wrote:Penner wrote:
Sorry to say this but that was how Christians survived under Islam for hundreds of years.
What a bankrupt argument that is. Go cower in the corner, and hope you don't upset the bad people. We'll handle this.
Umm...
The United States (that's us btw) created the conditions for ISIL to exist. We are directly responsible for the those conditions. I was in the process of writing the highlights on how we Americans are responsible for the current Islamic terroristic, extremists, and specifically for the ISIL and its current effects on the entire Middle East, but I think you think nuance is for fools. Okay.
I will say abandoning, and betraying, the innocent people who are suffering because of our actions is wrong.
Oh shut the hell up with that. I can play this blame game all the way back to 1918, and keep going. It means nothing, so you can keep it, it isn't needed here. Present an actual argument if you have one.
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by Okeefenokee » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:23 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:It's the typical victim blaming and blame shifting from the democrats these days. I am not sure why they do it, or why they think it works, but there it is.
The democratic party pays for organized rioters to attack American citizens on the streets, and what do they say? "Both sides have bad apples", as if there exists anything comparable on the other side. Muslims committing genocide against Christians and Yazidis? Don't make the Muslims angry, and maybe we should import millions more Muslims, the very same ones committing the genocide.. Man gets beaten nearly to death with a metal flagpole for going to the wrong university lecture? People like GCF say he shouldn't have showed up or worn the wrong hat.
It's really quite revolting.
I've had my fill of scum like this. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but no more. This is who they are. It isn't just a few of them. It's all of them. Anyone who opposed this level of degeneracy would have fled the left decades ago. They stick around because they condone it.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
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jbird4049
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by jbird4049 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:33 pm
Martin Hash wrote:de officiis wrote:jbird4049 wrote:
Umm...
The United States (that's us btw) created the conditions for ISIL to exist. We are directly responsible for the those conditions. I was in the process of writing the highlights on how we Americans are responsible for the current Islamic terroristic, extremists, and specifically for the ISIL and its current effects on the entire Middle East, but I think you think nuance is for fools. Okay.
Is that another way of saying, giving someone an excuse to murder?
Not only that, we owe money, apologies, our White males should be enslaved, and anyway, it's all America's fault.
p.s. Blame America first.
Oh please. Murderers, rapists, slavers are all responsible for their own actions. The United States is not responsible for what ISIL does. They are responsible for what they do.
The United States
is responsible for creating the conditions that enabled its creation.
We are responsible for setting the fireplace up with carefully placed tinder, kindling, and logs.
We are
not responsible for applying the lit match and then adding more wood and gasoline. Again that's on that's them.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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by Speaker to Animals » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:38 pm
jbird4049 wrote:Martin Hash wrote:de officiis wrote:
Is that another way of saying, giving someone an excuse to murder?
Not only that, we owe money, apologies, our White males should be enslaved, and anyway, it's all America's fault.
p.s. Blame America first.
Oh please. Murderers, rapists, slavers are all responsible for their own actions. The United States is not responsible for what ISIL does. They are responsible for what they do.
The United States
is responsible for creating the conditions that enabled its creation.
We are responsible for setting the fireplace up with carefully placed tinder, kindling, and logs.
We are
not responsible for applying the lit match and then adding more wood and gasoline. Again that's on that's them.
Here we see the blame shifting. They like to generalize so as to shift blame away from the democratic party.
Slavery and the Civil War was something the South did, not the democratic party. All the state violence against civil rights workers was done by somebody else, or all of America. They never admit it was something the democratic party did.
Now they blame all of America for what the democratic party did. America didn't create ISIS. The democratic party did.
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by de officiis » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:59 pm
Bay Area Conservatives Keep Meetups Secret Fearing For Their Safety
SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) — Some East Bay conservatives say they live a secret life. They can never tell anyone what they really feel like in fear of their safety.
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“If you witness what happened in Berkeley, actually they are so violent on top of it. I mean being a conservative in the Bay Area is like being a heretic,” says Ward. “You lead a double life. You can never tell your friends and co-workers.”
Robert says several Bay Area conservatives have secret meet ups like the one KPIX 5 was invited to visit in the East Bay.
Organizers asked not to disclose their location or the faces of anyone who attended, but insist this is the way it has to be in a liberal state.
“They seem to pride themselves on being diverse, and they are diverse about everything but their ideology,” says Ward. “I hope that in the future when people see Trump isn’t as scary as they think he is and a lot of the good things that happen and the prosperity comes back and the jobs come back, every one calms down a little bit.”
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by SuburbanFarmer » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:11 pm
Okeefenokee wrote:Speaker to Animals wrote:It's the typical victim blaming and blame shifting from the democrats these days. I am not sure why they do it, or why they think it works, but there it is.
The democratic party pays for organized rioters to attack American citizens on the streets, and what do they say? "Both sides have bad apples", as if there exists anything comparable on the other side. Muslims committing genocide against Christians and Yazidis? Don't make the Muslims angry, and maybe we should import millions more Muslims, the very same ones committing the genocide.. Man gets beaten nearly to death with a metal flagpole for going to the wrong university lecture? People like GCF say he shouldn't have showed up or worn the wrong hat.
It's really quite revolting.
I've had my fill of scum like this. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but no more. This is who they are. It isn't just a few of them. It's all of them. Anyone who opposed this level of degeneracy would have fled the left decades ago. They stick around because they condone it.
Yes, we must cleanse our land of the non-believers. There must be a final solution for these traitors to the nation.
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by jbird4049 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:26 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:jbird4049 wrote:Martin Hash wrote:
Not only that, we owe money, apologies, our White males should be enslaved, and anyway, it's all America's fault.
p.s. Blame America first.
Oh please. Murderers, rapists, slavers are all responsible for their own actions. The United States is not responsible for what ISIL does. They are responsible for what they do.
The United States
is responsible for creating the conditions that enabled its creation.
We are responsible for setting the fireplace up with carefully placed tinder, kindling, and logs.
We are
not responsible for applying the lit match and then adding more wood and gasoline. Again that's on that's them.
Here we see the blame shifting. They like to generalize so as to shift blame away from the democratic party.
Slavery and the Civil War was something the South did, not the democratic party. All the state violence against civil rights workers was done by somebody else, or all of America. They never admit it was something the democratic party did.
Now they blame all of America for what the democratic party did. America didn't create ISIS. The democratic party did.
Why are we debating the Civil War? And since there like 4-5 parties in the 1860 Presidential elections including two Democratic Parties (northern and southern) which is how a backbencher of a new party (Lincoln) won the election, how is today's national Democratic Party, which unlike the early pre 1860 was not) still supposedly pro civil rights, responsible for the war?????
It was the Southern States who seceded and formed the Confederacy for the expressed desire to maintain slavery. Just read the Confederate Constitution.
Edited for cleaner language.
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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Are full of passionate intensity.
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by jbird4049 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:43 pm
Okeefenokee wrote:jbird4049 wrote:Okeefenokee wrote:
What a bankrupt argument that is. Go cower in the corner, and hope you don't upset the bad people. We'll handle this.
Umm...
The United States (that's us btw) created the conditions for ISIL to exist. We are directly responsible for the those conditions. I was in the process of writing the highlights on how we Americans are responsible for the current Islamic terroristic, extremists, and specifically for the ISIL and its current effects on the entire Middle East, but I think you think nuance is for fools. Okay.
I will say abandoning, and betraying, the innocent people who are suffering because of our actions is wrong.
Oh shut the hell up with that. I can play this blame game all the way back to 1918, and keep going. It means nothing, so you can keep it, it isn't needed here. Present an actual argument if you have one.
I'm not going back to the Sykes-Picot Agreement, nor the Balfour Declaration, nor the Armenian Genocide, or the Iran-Iraq War, or anything else. I am focusing on the United States has actually contributed from the late 80s itself to the present mess.
If you want to muddy up the water, I can't stop you, if for no other reason that there are always earlier contributing causes, and then you might say nobody is responsible for anything except perhaps the Assyrian Empire. Fortunately they are still around to take the blame.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.