Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Speaker to Animals]

Some years ago I watched a documentary on the design and building of the Berlin Wall between East Germany and West Germany. It included extremely rare clips of interviews with the architects (I was shocked to learn there was actually a deliberate design to that monstrosity).

I searched high and low for the film, but was unable to locate it. If any reader has any clue where to find it please do let me know…I’ve been desperate to watch it again.

In one clip, an aging (former) East German Wall architect spoke briskly about the strategy of his designs. Although the interview was conducted during what must have been the last years of his life, he still seemed deeply resentful that he was being asked to defend the wall’s erection even after the fall of the Eastern Bloc. I’ll never forget what he said in that interview – it made the hair stand up on my arms.

With great sincerity – almost pleading with the interviewer – he said, “We had to build the wall. Too many people were leaving for the West and you need people to make socialism work. We had to build the wall to keep them in so they could see how great socialism was, so they could see that it works.”

As I can’t find the clip, you’ll just have to take my word for it (or not). The point is – this man and his comrades felt that the only way to sell people on their socialist vision was to force them to live in it. Those leaving were just too stupid to understand that it was the best thing for them.

This is exactly the point in the ruling by the NHS and the courts to forbid their free citizens from leaving the country. If they are allowed to flee the heart-wrenching consequences of socialism, then others will want to do the same. How can a socialist system work without the cooperation of everyone? And how can you force people to participate in that socialist system when they discover that system may kill them or their loved ones?

You build a wall.

Great Britain doesn’t yet have a wall to keep its citizens in, but the courts have built one with the law. Just as East Germany could not tolerate the massive loss of defectors who were leaving with their training, intellect and tax dollars, Great Britain’s healthcare system cannot tolerate the defection of those who might find better healthcare somewhere else.

After all, how would it look if Alfie were allowed to leave England (allowed to leave a free country! Even to write the words feels absurd!) and then found a successful treatment in another country?

It would be an abject embarrassment to a government that holds up their socialist healthcare as one of the wonders of the Western world. Not only would they be forced to admit that their own doctors and bureaucrats were wrong for denying this baby life-saving measures, but they would then have to deal with hundreds, maybe thousands of other citizens fleeing the bondage of NHS algorithms for a chance at swifter, more modern healthcare.

https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2018 ... ans-italy/

[C-Mag]

2018 in one screencap:

Treatment has not been withdrawn, the child is still recieving palliative care.
Perhaps you should find better sources for your information.

Why everyone wants to prolong this poor child's dreadful existence against the medical advice of the doctors who have been treating him for more than half of his life is beyond me.
Sadists.

These situations can be very tough.
Can't speak for anyone else, but when the Government won't allow the child to receive care by the Italians, that shows me the Government is really just saying, NO, we own you, and get to say when you die.

[nmoore63]

Why everyone wants to prolong this poor child's dreadful existence against the medical advice of the doctors who have been treating him for more than half of his life is beyond me.
Sadists.

Because once I am no longer expending state resources, it’s none of their fucking business.

Because the State isn’t my god.

Because forced euthanasia of a child is evil.

Because I want no part in your twisted child sacrificing sick rituals.

[Montegriffo]

2018 in one screencap:

Treatment has not been withdrawn, the child is still recieving palliative care.
Perhaps you should find better sources for your information.

Why everyone wants to prolong this poor child's dreadful existence against the medical advice of the doctors who have been treating him for more than half of his life is beyond me.
Sadists.

These situations can be very tough.
Can't speak for anyone else, but when the Government won't allow the child to receive care by the Italians, that shows me the Government is really just saying, NO, we own you, and get to say when you die.

No, the government is saying that is not in the childs best interests to pointlessly prolong his life.

[Montegriffo]

Why everyone wants to prolong this poor child's dreadful existence against the medical advice of the doctors who have been treating him for more than half of his life is beyond me.
Sadists.

Because once I am no longer expending state resources, it’s none of their fucking business.

Because the State isn’t my god.

Because forced euthanasia of a child is evil.

Because I want no part in your twisted child sacrificing sick rituals.

The child is a subject of the state and it is therefore the responsibility of the state to do what is best for the child, the rights of the child are put before the rights of the parents.
The Italian healthcare system is not better than the NHS and they don't have a miracle cure.

[C-Mag]

These situations can be very tough.
Can't speak for anyone else, but when the Government won't allow the child to receive care by the Italians, that shows me the Government is really just saying, NO, we own you, and get to say when you die.

No, the government is saying that is not in the childs best interests to pointlessly prolong his life.

Why is the Government insisting the death of the child is the only humane way forward?
Why in the fuck would you not allow Italy to take on the issue if they want to take it on?

To me, it sounds like the Government is saying, we control life and death, there is no way around it. When we make a decision its final.
That's a really stupid way to do things.

[nmoore63]

Why everyone wants to prolong this poor child's dreadful existence against the medical advice of the doctors who have been treating him for more than half of his life is beyond me.
Sadists.

Because once I am no longer expending state resources, it’s none of their fucking business.

Because the State isn’t my god.

Because forced euthanasia of a child is evil.

Because I want no part in your twisted child sacrificing sick rituals.

The child is a subject of the state and it is therefore the responsibility of the state to do what is best for the child, the rights of the child are put before the rights of the parents.
The Italian healthcare system is not better than the NHS and they don't have a miracle cure.

See previous response.

[Montegriffo]

Why is the Government insisting the death of the child is the only humane way forward?
Why in the fuck would you not allow Italy to take on the issue if they want to take it on?

1. Because that is the opinion of the doctors who have been treating this child since Dec 2016 and are therefore the most qualified to make that decision.

2. Because that is not in the best interest of the child.

[Ph64]

Why is the Government insisting the death of the child is the only humane way forward?
Why in the fuck would you not allow Italy to take on the issue if they want to take it on?

1. Because that is the opinion of the doctors who have been treating this child since Dec 2016 and are therefore the most qualified to make that decision.

2. Because that is not in the best interest of the child.

So the state decides what is in the child's best interest. Can they decide what's in your best interest too? Doctors say you're going to die sometime in the future, and they're well qualified to make that decision, so obviously it's in your best interest for the state to cut you off from all state resources... You're going to die someday anyways, why prolong it? Heck, the economy might collapse and you could suffer, it's in your best interest!

[Montegriffo]

Why everyone wants to prolong this poor child's dreadful existence against the medical advice of the doctors who have been treating him for more than half of his life is beyond me.
Sadists.

Because once I am no longer expending state resources, it’s none of their fucking business.

Because the State isn’t my god.

Because forced euthanasia of a child is evil.

Because I want no part in your twisted child sacrificing sick rituals.

1. Yes it is, the best interests of the child is their responsibility.

2. No but you are bound by its legal system.

3. Read the definition of euthanasia, no one is killing this child. A Do Not Resuscitate order on an elderly patient is not murder/euthanasia.

4.