THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

Their aren't many conservatives worth their salt and say they won't pay for better border security because government spending is more important. That isn't going to sell Smitty, he won't deliver on Mexico paying for all of it, and never intended to. Getting them to pay for some of it will more than suffice.

Anybody who would invoke spending billions on a partial concrete wall as being "better border security", is not a conservative at all, more of a loony really, which, I will concede, most Americans are, which is why they keep doing this sort of stupid shit.

[StCapps]

Their aren't many conservatives worth their salt and say they won't pay for better border security because government spending is more important. That isn't going to sell Smitty, he won't deliver on Mexico paying for all of it, and never intended to. Getting them to pay for some of it will more than suffice.

Anybody who would invoke spending billions on a partial concrete wall as being "better border security", is not a conservative at all, more of a loony really, which, I will concede, most Americans are.

See now you're getting it. These politicians aren't principled ideologues, they are populist loons. They just want to get elected and if principled conservatism gets in the way of that, then they would much prefer getting elected. They only want to invoke principled conservatism when it appeals to the populist loon masses.

[Smitty-48]

There's only 47 more GOP in the house than Democrats, which, I don't know how many are Trump supporters, but being an Alt Right loony is clearly not the only path to election, I think the key to sucess in congress is actually to just work your own district and become a perennial, that way the party has to come to you, instead of you having to go to the party.

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Notes re/Wash. federal district court’s oral opinion:

Narrow Q: whether approp. to enter TRO vs. certain actions by Executive Branch

Standing: Wash & Minn have standing - direct immed. harm to states as institutions and their citizens

States have shown immed/irreparable injury

States have shown they are likely to succeed on merits

Balance of equities favor states

Entry of TRO is in public interest

Scope of order: nationwide injunction against enforcement of §§ 3(c), 5(a), (b), (c) & (e):

3(c): To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U. S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a) (12) of the INA, 8 U. S.C. 1187(a) (12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).

Sec. 5. Realignment of the U. S. Refugee Admissions Program for Fiscal Year 2017.
(a) The Secretary of State shall suspend the U. S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days. During the 120-day period, the Secretary of State, in conjunction with the Secretary of Homeland Security and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, shall review the USRAP application and adjudication process to determine what additional procedures should be taken to ensure that those approved for refugee admission do not pose a threat to the security and welfare of the United States, and shall implement such additional procedures. Refugee applicants who are already in the USRAP process may be admitted upon the initiation and completion of these revised procedures. Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States.

(b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religiousbased persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization.

(c) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U. S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.

(e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.

Govt. will likely appeal to 9th Circuit Ct/App on Monday

[StCapps]

There's only 47 more GOP in the house than Democrats, which, I don't know how many are Trump supporters, but being an Alt Right loony is clearly not the only path to election, I think the key to sucess in congress is actually to just work your own district and become a perennial, that way the party has to come to you, instead of you having to go to the party.

The GOP base clearly preferred Trump's border security plan to the House Republicans plan. I think you under-estimate support for the wall just because the alt-right are it's most vocal proponents, but they are far from the only ones. I think you will find Trump's sales pitch on the wall convinced a lot of people who claimed to be principled conservatives but really are not and the views of the GOP base on the matter have shifted a great deal over since before Trump came on the scene. He's a persuasive motherfucker, that visual imagery he invokes with a physical wall sells well, hard to deny.

[Okeefenokee]

Someone explain what DeO said in plain speak. That dude could tell me the sky was falling, and I would listen. Just give me the normal speak version.

[Smitty-48]

There's only 47 more GOP in the house than Democrats, which, I don't know how many are Trump supporters, but being an Alt Right loony is clearly not the only path to election, I think the key to sucess in congress is actually to just work your own district and become a perennial, that way the party has to come to you, instead of you having to go to the party.

The GOP base clearly preferred Trump's border security plan to the House Republicans plan. I think you under-estimate support for the wall just because the alt-right are it's most vocal proponents, but they are far from the only ones.

But even if you're in a Red District, there's still plenty of Blue in that district, so you stradle the line; in many districts, for every Alt-Right loony and xenophobe you lose, you could pick up two swing Democrats who would rather have a moderate Republican perhaps even more than they would a Democrat, I would submit, being Purple is actually a better way to persist in congress for the long haul, there will be a backlash against the Alt Right loonies, that's baked into the cake, if I was in congress, I'd actually keep them at arms length.

[StCapps]

But even if you're in a Red District, there's still plenty of Blue in that district, so you stradle the line; in many districts, for every Alt-Right loony and xenophobe you lose, you could pick up two swing Democrats who would rather have a moderate Republican perhaps even more than they would a Democrat, I would submit, being Purple is actually a better way to persist in congress for the long haul, there will be a backlash against the Alt Right loonies, that's baked into the cake, if I was in congress, I'd actually keep them at arms length.

They will keep them at arms length and only give them a token victory on the wall. But the congress can't completely shut them out when Trump fired up so many people on that issue and doing so will allow them to get more of the purple agenda to get passed on other issues once the alt-right is placated on immigration with their token wall, you can't just stab them in the back, you have to at least throw them a bone on this one.

The alt-right will get a wall, it won't be anywhere near as big or beautiful as they initially imagined, but Trump saying otherwise will make them perfectly happy with it when it's all said and done. He's pacing and leading the alt-right beautifully on this one as we speak. Trump will take the rough edges off the extremists in his base while keeping them in lock step behind him in full support, that's the play now that he has their trust.

[Smitty-48]

Being a conservative, I'd rather go one way or the other, partial throw them a bone wall is the worst of both worlds, so If I was going to concede on the wall, I would say OK, but fuck these half measures, if we're building a wall, then lets go all the way, and if it is such a great idea, it should not rely on some goofy Mexicans will pay for it scheme, just pay for it, but lets get our money's worth and make it comprehensive, to wit, even bigger and more beautiful than the Alt-Right thought it could ever be, and then just sell it to Democrats as infrastructure stimulus.

We are after all, just printing money here, in for a penny in for a pound, if you're going to make it rain, make it pour. If you're going to spend the money, at least get your money's worth, half a wall is worse than no wall at all, that's just throwing good money after bad, once you start building a wall, make sure you finish it, otherwise the money is wasted.

[StCapps]

Being a conservative, I'd rather go one way or the other, partial thow them a bone wall is the worst of both worlds, so If I was going to concede on the wall, I would say OK, but fuck these half measures, if we're building a wall, then lets go all the way, and if it is such a great idea, it should not rely on some goofy Mexicans will pay for it scheme, just pay for it, but lets get our money's worth and make conprehensive, to wit, even bigger and more beautiful than the Alt-Right thought it could ever be.

Well Trump will go with that if he thinks that would work better than the strategy I suggested and can still pass. The location, cost, payment, size and/or length of the wall are all negotiable, he just used the "big and beautiful, mexico will pay for it" mental image to get him elected.

The only southern border security plan that Trump won't accept is a plan with no wall whatsoever. If the best border security plan involves no wall on any portion of the border, than he'll reject it because he needs to deliver on that campaign promise and an ineffective use of taxpayer money is worth the expense to gain political capital. Trump will no doubt try to pass the best border security plan that he can as long as it includes a wall and has a realistic chance at passing congress, but the plan has to meet those two requirements or he'll dig his heels in until he gets his way, and in the end he'll end up getting most of what he wants.