THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Post by StCapps » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:13 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
StCapps wrote:So what's the deal on this Republicuck judge ruling against the travel ban and turning himself into the John McCain/Lindsey Graham of federal judges? All this amounts to is delaying tactic right?
Let him enforce it.

I see what you did there.

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Channeling Ol' Hickory is totally the way to play this on Trump's end. MAGA!

Is this judge retiring and going out in a final blaze of virtue signaling glory or something? How does he benefit? Or did he fuck himself over without realizing he was somehow?
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Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:13 pm

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GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.

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Post by Penner » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:17 pm

More news on that immigration ban- looks like Trump's winning streak has hit a road block (and I am posting a few more just to get some context here):
A federal judge in Seattle on Friday granted a nationwide temporary restraining order blocking U.S. President Donald Trump's recent action barring nationals from seven countries from entering the United States.

Attorney General Bob Ferguson's order represents a major challenge to the Trump administration, which is expected to immediately appeal. The judge declined to stay the order, suggesting that travel restrictions could be lifted immediately.

Ferguson filed the lawsuit on Monday, saying it wasn't a decision he made lightly.

"I firmly believe that no one is above the law, however, and I have a duty to protect all Washingtonians from unlawful actions that violate the Constitution," he said in a Monday statement. "I will continue this fight — all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary — to uphold the rule of law."

The challenge was brought by the state of Washington and later joined by the state of Minnesota. The Seattle judge ruled that the states have legal standing to sue, which could help Democratic attorneys general take on Trump in court on issues beyond immigration.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/03/seattle- ... basis.html
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:47 pm

"Activist Judges" is not a loss for the American Right, that just fires the base up all the more, nobody in Trump's camp is going to blame Trump for "Activist Judges", that's not how it works on the Right, generally, it's a poltical win for the Right, when they can incite the Judiciary to oppose them, that has to be their number one fund raising lever in the end, and largely why the GOP is controlling both Houses of Congress right now.

Trump + Senate + Gorsuch = win-win-win, whereas the Alt-Right Travel Ban; ultimately expendable downrange, a political lever, a sop, but not actually a critical interest. At the end of the day, it's actually an Albatros, if they can jettison it, and be able to blame the Judiciary, all the better.

If only there was a way that the Judiciary could rule against the $40 billion derp Wall to Nowhere, but hopefully Congress will put a stop to that.
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Post by StCapps » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:19 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:If only there was a way that the Judiciary could rule against the $40 billion derp Wall to Nowhere, but hopefully Congress will put a stop to that.
There will be a wall, maybe not $40 billion worth of border wall, that is obviously open to negotiation. But $0 on a wall with Congress or the Judiciary coming to the rescue? Dreamland.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:20 pm

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:If only there was a way that the Judiciary could rule against the $40 billion derp Wall to Nowhere, but hopefully Congress will put a stop to that.
There will be a wall. Maybe not $40 billion worth of wall, that is obviously open to negotiation. $0 on a wall? Dreamland.
Not my money, but Trump promised a wall paid for by Mexicans, so If I was in Congress and he came cap in hand, I would say "talk to the Mexicans".

Paid for by Mexicans after the fact maybe someday kinda sorta if you look at it in the right light, American taxpayer on the hook in the meantime? "Talk to the hand".
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Post by StCapps » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:27 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:If only there was a way that the Judiciary could rule against the $40 billion derp Wall to Nowhere, but hopefully Congress will put a stop to that.
There will be a wall. Maybe not $40 billion worth of wall, that is obviously open to negotiation. $0 on a wall? Dreamland.
Not my money, but Trump promised a wall paid for by Mexicans, so If I was in Congress and he came cap in hand, I would say "talk to the Mexicans".

Paid for by Mexicans after the fact maybe someday kinda sorta if you look at it in the right light, American taxpayer on the hook in the meantime? "Talk to the hand".
You aren't congress though, not your money AND not your call. They will not act as you would, enough of the GOP will cave and give Trump his wall as long as he doesn't go overboard with it, even if he does they still might give it him most of what he wants. That's the way Trump rolls after all. The wall is yet another outrageous opening offer Smitty, it will dialed back accordingly, but not all the way. It's yet another example of Trump leaning on his go to play.
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Post by de officiis » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:29 pm

Penner wrote:More news on that immigration ban- looks like Trump's winning streak has hit a road block (and I am posting a few more just to get some context here):
A federal judge in Seattle on Friday granted a nationwide temporary restraining order blocking U.S. President Donald Trump's recent action barring nationals from seven countries from entering the United States.

Attorney General Bob Ferguson's order represents a major challenge to the Trump administration, which is expected to immediately appeal. The judge declined to stay the order, suggesting that travel restrictions could be lifted immediately.

Ferguson filed the lawsuit on Monday, saying it wasn't a decision he made lightly.

"I firmly believe that no one is above the law, however, and I have a duty to protect all Washingtonians from unlawful actions that violate the Constitution," he said in a Monday statement. "I will continue this fight — all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary — to uphold the rule of law."

The challenge was brought by the state of Washington and later joined by the state of Minnesota. The Seattle judge ruled that the states have legal standing to sue, which could help Democratic attorneys general take on Trump in court on issues beyond immigration.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:35 pm

StCapps wrote:You aren't congress though, not your money AND not your call. They will not act as you would, enough of the GOP will cave and give Trump his wall as long as he doesn't go overboard with it.
Big Government White Elephant pool of cash being thrown out of a helicopter into the desert? That's the sort of thing which goes overboard all on its own, which is why any conservative worth his salt wouldn't vote a dime for it, you said the Mexicans would pay for it, you own that promise, any congressman who would throw himself in front of that is just being silly, go ahead and chirp from the bully pulpit, I'll just keep throwing "Mexicans will pay for it" back in your face, not my problem.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:42 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
StCapps wrote:You aren't congress though, not your money AND not your call. They will not act as you would, enough of the GOP will cave and give Trump his wall as long as he doesn't go overboard with it.
Big Government White Elephant pool of cash being thrown out of a helicopter into the desert? That's the sort of thing which goes overboard all on its own, which is why any conservative worth his salt wouldn't vote a dime for it, you said the Mexicans would pay for it, you own that promise, any congressman who would throw himself in front of that is just being silly, go ahead and chirp from the bully pulpit, I'll just keep throwing "Mexicans will pay for it" back in your face, not my problem.
Their aren't many conservatives worth their salt and say they won't pay for better border security because government spending is more important. That isn't going to sell Smitty, he won't deliver on Mexico paying for all of it, and never intended to. Getting them to pay for some of it will more than suffice.

You may not believe me now on the border wall tip, but when Trump does exactly as I have said on this issue, and gets away with most of what he wants, you'll see that it fits the "outrageous opening offer" pattern perfectly in hindsight, if not in foresight.

Trump can even tell everyone exactly what he's doing in a best selling book and a huge chunk of people still don't believe it even when he does it right in front of their eyes. They still believe the outrageous opening offer in both the business world and in the political world, despite Trump telling them exactly them how he's playing them. That's how effective the tactic is for him, even when the defense knows it's coming, they still can't prevent it from being effective. He's that good at it, he can even fool you fool you with that play and I've brought up to speed on his well documented strategic use of that tactic, so you know to be on the lookout for it.

Trump's got skills, he hides in plain sight.
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