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Re: Current US Military

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:You should stop telling yourself that you know more about this than I do.
Right? What kind of asshole would even discuss such a thing with you? And fuck his source, too.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:04 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:You should stop telling yourself that you know more about this than I do.
Right? What kind of asshole would even discuss such a thing with you? And fuck his source, too.
Of course this asshole wants to chime in on yet another topic he knows fuck all about.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:23 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:You should stop telling yourself that you know more about this than I do.
Right? What kind of asshole would even discuss such a thing with you? And fuck his source, too.
Of course this asshole wants to chime in on yet another topic he knows fuck all about.
Man, what a bunch of assholes. Unbelievable. Thinking they can just talk about shit.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Viktorthepirate » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:31 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Right? What kind of asshole would even discuss such a thing with you? And fuck his source, too.
Of course this asshole wants to chime in on yet another topic he knows fuck all about.
Man, what a bunch of assholes. Unbelievable. Thinking they can just talk about shit.
Well he does have a slight point, my Army knowledge is only current to 2014.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by C-Mag » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:12 am

Mattis putting out his vision for the future military


Jim Mattis’s Close Combat Lethality Task Force
Now they’re taking on the hard part: getting the military to stop wasting the troops’ time.


End death by PowerPoint: Over the years, well-meaning bureaucrats have layered on one training requirement after another — briefings on everything from highway safety to personal hygiene– that it cuts into training for actual combat. Wilkie, a reservist, estimated he spends 4.5 days of his 14-day annual training on such briefs. Now the Secretaries of the Army, Air Force, and Navy (which includes Marines) have all agreed to systematically cut back these mandatory training requirements.
Stop peeling potatoes: When commanders need someone to guard the base gates, run the gym, or perform some other mundane task, they often look to the infantry. After all, if you take mechanics or other technical troops away from their tasks, equipment quickly starts breaking down, but if you take grunts away from training, the damage isn’t obvious until wartime. The task force is working on a “workforce rationalization plan” to have civilians do such work so soldiers and Marines can concentrate on combat.

Train like the pros: As a Marine Corps general, Mattis once noted that infantry training hadn’t changed much since World War II, which he found unacceptable. Special Operations has led the way in borrowing training techniques from major league sports — personalized coaching, scientific nutrition, and constant repetition with careful monitoring of both physical and cognitive performance. Not everyone can qualify for special forces, but regular Army and Marine Corps infantry can replicate this kind of intensive, scientific training.
Add virtual training: Instead of reading PowerPoint or peeling potatoes, troops need to spend their time on realistic training — but field exercises are expensive, time-consuming to set up, and limited to the environment around the base. Fighter pilots and vehicle crews use simulators to train over and over in a wide variety of scenarios, many too dangerous for real-life training, before they go to the field. The Pentagon is now looking at VR and augmented reality technologies for the infantry as well. Mattis wants infantry to fight “25 bloodless battles” before they ever face real life-or-death combat, Wilkie said.

Report real readiness: Today, units spend a great deal of time counting the countable — how many troops they have, how much equipment and supplies — but that doesn’t capture the qualitative factors that make a unit ready for combat. “Clearly at the small unit level, the readiness reporting system fails us,” the chair of the task force’s advisory board, retired Maj. Gen. Bob Scales, said. He recommends a system that measures how much time troops spend in realistic training and how many have qualified in key skills. Wilkie’s office is working with all the services on how to assess real readiness.

Keep troops together: Since World War II, the military has treated troops as interchangeable parts, moving individuals from job to job, unit to unit, base to base. Career commissioned and non-commissioned officers in particular pay a penalty for staying too long in one job under a system known as “up or out.” That might have worked in the draft era, Wilkie said, when thousands of unmarried conscripts came in and out every year, but it doesn’t fit a force of long-service volunteers with families. It also breaks up the tight-knit teams that make a unit effective in battle.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Okeefenokee » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:59 pm

Viktorthepirate wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
Of course this asshole wants to chime in on yet another topic he knows fuck all about.
Man, what a bunch of assholes. Unbelievable. Thinking they can just talk about shit.
Well he does have a slight point, my Army knowledge is only current to 2014.
I was at the NCO academy last week. No one is going to right this ship.

You might have been able to avert this with a draft ten years ago.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Viktorthepirate » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:45 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Viktorthepirate wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Man, what a bunch of assholes. Unbelievable. Thinking they can just talk about shit.
Well he does have a slight point, my Army knowledge is only current to 2014.
I was at the NCO academy last week. No one is going to right this ship.

You might have been able to avert this with a draft ten years ago.
Yea I did PLDC (or WLC, whatever the fuck it’s called now) in 2011 or 12 I think. Ducked out of BNCOC because I was getting out. Fucking assholes still tried to make me go but I just went to a civilian doctor (I was on recruiting duty) and got a letter saying my back was fucked up to get out of it. The lengths I had to go to just to save the taxpayer money, sheesh.

I don’t think a draft would help shit though. You drag a bunch of unwilling guys into the military and you think discipline will improve?

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Okeefenokee » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:24 pm

Viktorthepirate wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
Viktorthepirate wrote:
Well he does have a slight point, my Army knowledge is only current to 2014.
I was at the NCO academy last week. No one is going to right this ship.

You might have been able to avert this with a draft ten years ago.
Yea I did PLDC (or WLC, whatever the fuck it’s called now) in 2011 or 12 I think. Ducked out of BNCOC because I was getting out. Fucking assholes still tried to make me go but I just went to a civilian doctor (I was on recruiting duty) and got a letter saying my back was fucked up to get out of it. The lengths I had to go to just to save the taxpayer money, sheesh.

I don’t think a draft would help shit though. You drag a bunch of unwilling guys into the military and you think discipline will improve?
Yeah, that's the sort of excuse people use to justify it. Pretend you're thinking about discipline and what's best for the force.

This bullshit excuse, that an expectation of national service will degrade discipline, along with all the other nonsense people make up to justify 18 years of war with fucking zero public sacrifice, looks pretty damn retarded when you line it up against what has actually happened.

The experiment of the volunteer army has failed. If you can't look at the retention failure of the past two years and see that, you'll never see it.

I said this was going to happen.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by C-Mag » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:31 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Viktorthepirate wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
I was at the NCO academy last week. No one is going to right this ship.

You might have been able to avert this with a draft ten years ago.
Yea I did PLDC (or WLC, whatever the fuck it’s called now) in 2011 or 12 I think. Ducked out of BNCOC because I was getting out. Fucking assholes still tried to make me go but I just went to a civilian doctor (I was on recruiting duty) and got a letter saying my back was fucked up to get out of it. The lengths I had to go to just to save the taxpayer money, sheesh.

I don’t think a draft would help shit though. You drag a bunch of unwilling guys into the military and you think discipline will improve?
Yeah, that's the sort of excuse people use to justify it. Pretend you're thinking about discipline and what's best for the force.

This bullshit excuse, that an expectation of national service will degrade discipline, along with all the other nonsense people make up to justify 18 years of war with fucking zero public sacrifice, looks pretty damn retarded when you line it up against what has actually happened.

The experiment of the volunteer army has failed. If you can't look at the retention failure of the past two years and see that, you'll never see it.

I said this was going to happen.
It worked before it was overly politicized.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Viktorthepirate » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:33 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Viktorthepirate wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:
I was at the NCO academy last week. No one is going to right this ship.

You might have been able to avert this with a draft ten years ago.
Yea I did PLDC (or WLC, whatever the fuck it’s called now) in 2011 or 12 I think. Ducked out of BNCOC because I was getting out. Fucking assholes still tried to make me go but I just went to a civilian doctor (I was on recruiting duty) and got a letter saying my back was fucked up to get out of it. The lengths I had to go to just to save the taxpayer money, sheesh.

I don’t think a draft would help shit though. You drag a bunch of unwilling guys into the military and you think discipline will improve?
Yeah, that's the sort of excuse people use to justify it. Pretend you're thinking about discipline and what's best for the force.

This bullshit excuse, that an expectation of national service will degrade discipline, along with all the other nonsense people make up to justify 18 years of war with fucking zero public sacrifice, looks pretty damn retarded when you line it up against what has actually happened.

The experiment of the volunteer army has failed. If you can't look at the retention failure of the past two years and see that, you'll never see it.

I said this was going to happen.
And the draft Army was doing awesome?

I think I read somewhere that they had 1 or 2 teenie problems with discipline.