You shilled for the epitomy of corporate whoredom, and you think there's a statute of limitations on pointing it out? Fuck that. We'll never let you forget that you shilled for cronyism incarnate, and lost.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
Whatevs. There's no sense in arguing with the cheer squad. Carry on, cucks.
Don't you see that Crooked Hillary is the Hitler card here waived at your face when they don't have anything to argue in the actual topic, the case of the "loose cannon" advisor that Trump himself fired?
So other European Intelligence Services make comments about the ties of Trump people to the Russians seems as early as the appear (starting at 2015). And some Carter Page is likely already linked to Russian spies years before. Clapper in his testimony then only refers to the FBI investigation that started in July 2016.
Seems it takes months for the US intelligence community to make up it's mind.
Btw, in one RT interview that Flynn gave to RT the RT news anchor introduced Flynn as a man that could be the Trump's vice president pick (naturally happened before Pence was chosen). Seems that they had high hopes for Flynn.
Oh wow European and American intelligence services all agree. Where have we heard that one before? James Clapper would never lie especially not under oath. Talking heads on RT, the network that hired Larry King, relevant and formidable to be sure.
I watched the entire Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Former DNI James Clapper and former Acting AG Sally Yates were under oath in this hearing.
There was a decent amount of partisan grandstanding in the form of "asking questions", but there were some substantial revelations made during the hearing. Here's my highlights on what we learned.
Says "The classified version was profusely annotated, with footnotes drawn from thousands of pages of supporting material."
Stated, "If there has ever been a clarion call for vigilance and action against a threat to the very foundation of our democratic political system, this episode is it."
Confirmed that "Over the spring of 2016, multiple European allies passed on additional information to the United States about contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians."
"Russia also collected on certain Republican Party- affiliated targets, but did not release any Republican-related data"
Clapper was not aware of the FBI investigation last year. This would imply the FBI was treating this as an especially sensitive/secret domestic criminal investigation.
Elaborated that incidental collection regarding FISA 702, is on foreign targets located outside the United States. (You should be asking if Kislyak-Flynn conversations were collected via FISA 702, or a different warrant.)
On unmasking:
During lawful surveillance on foreign targets, US citizens' identities are typically masked. When, to fully understand the context of the communication or threat being reported by the collecting agency, the intelligence consumer can request that identity be unmasked.
It is up collecting agency to decide whether to allow the unmasking based on the consumer's request, and their reasons for it.
The unmasked intelligence is only delivered to consumer that requested it.
This process is documented by the collecting agency.
Sometimes, though rarely, the collecting agency will unmask the intelligence themselves before reporting it to the consumer. My guess is, this happens when the reason the intelligence is reported, the threat demonstrated, is related to the actions and activities of the US citizen that was unmasked, where they aren't a 3rd party, target, or bystander, but part of the threat.
Clapper states that he has asked for intelligence to be unmasked on numerous occasions, including, once, a Trump associate or Donald Trump himself.
Yates stated that she has never requested unmasking of intelligence reports.
On Yates meetings with White House Counsel Don McGahn:
Meeting #1:
Yates requested to meet with McGahn after it became clear that Vice President Pence had been misled by Michael Flynn, and was making publican statements based on those lies.
Yates said that the DOJ and IC were not the only ones who knew about Flynn’s lies to the Vice President. The Russians did as well and likely had proof, and that created “a compromise situation, a situation where the national security adviser essentially could be blackmailed by the Russians”.
Yates told McGahn that Flynn had been interviewed by the FBI, but refused to discuss the details or results with him. Throughout her testimony, Yates continued to refuse to discuss Flynn's interview with the FBI.
Yates brought this information to the White House Counsel so they could "take action" regarding this compromising situation.
Meeting #2:
McGahn called Yates and requested a second meeting.
The four topics McGahn wanted to discuss were: "why does it matter to DOJ if one White House official lies to another", "the applicability of criminal statutes and the likelihood that the DOJ would pursue a criminal case", "his concern that their taking action might interfere with an investigation of Mr. Flynn", and "his request to see the underlying evidence".
Yates stated this mattered to DOJ because the situation compromised the President's National Security Advisor to blackmail by those who knew he lied to the Vice President, including Russia.
Yates did not answer on the details of any criminal implications of this situation.
Yates told McGahn that taking action would not interfere in any way to any possible investigations.
DOJ made the raw intelligence available to McGahn and the White House. Yates could not confirm if they review this information, as she was fired the next day.
Additional issues:
Michael Flynn joined President Trump in a phone call with Vladimir Putin the day after these 2 meetings occurred.
Flynn continued in his role as APNSA for 18 days after these meetings before being fired by President Trump. The reasons for his firing were the exact issue that the DOJ, via Yates, brought to the attention of WH Counsel McGahn. Flynn took part in many national security decisions during this time.
Michael Flynn should have required a higher security clearance that he had after leaving the DOD. It does not appear he was vetted for, or given, a higher security clearance for his role as APNSA in the White House. No one is sure why this is the case, or who should have enforced this outside of the White House.
Overall, I feel that a lot of details that have been reported have been confirmed, but that the underlying reasons for why these events unfolded was not reached. I thought Clapper was in true "don't give a fuck" mode, and disclosed some serious information that will probably be overlooked by those who only read the headlines, and don't understand what was going on behind the scenes last year. Yates was clear and concise, recounted her actions in great detail, and defended the actions she took as Acting AG. Great testimony from both witnesses.
kybkh wrote:>Be Liberal.
>Hate Surveillance State
>Hate Drone Strikes
>Hate GITMO
>Hate War in general
>Hate 1%
>Hate Titans of Industry
>Hate State Rights
>Love CIA
>Love FBI
>Love NSA
>Love local governments openly defy Federal law
>Love most vial speech towards a sitting president for doing absolutely nothing.
>Normalize political violence as acceptable form of protest.
>Be BFF with McCain, Romney and Lindsey Graham.
>Cross fingers for a military strike against Russia
>Worry about minimum wage while promoting the dilution of unskilled laborers.
All of Yates actions were predicated on HER BELIEF that Flynn was opened to be blackmailed because something, something, Russians.
We don't know what he said.
The reason he wasn't fired until 18 days later is because it wasn't the conversations with the Ruskies that concerned Trump (prob because Trump ok'd the conversation) it was the money from Turkey that did him in, like ND said weeks ago.
This is all just a shit show for the MIC to give justification to increase military spending as multiple think tanks have stated was needed in order to overcome the sequestration.
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kybkh wrote:All of Yates actions were predicated on HER BELIEF that Flynn was opened to be blackmailed because something, something, Russians.
We don't know what he said.
The reason he wasn't fired until 18 days later is because it wasn't the conversations with the Ruskies that concerned Trump (prob because Trump ok'd the conversation) it was the money from Turkey that did him in, like ND said weeks ago.
This is all just a shit show for the MIC to give justification to increase military spending as multiple think tanks have stated was needed in order to overcome the sequestration.
Do you ever even think about having any logic to your claims?
Why on Earth would it be the MIC? Trump basically want's to invest more in the MIC. Some Bernie Sanders might take a tougher line and be bad for business.
The reason for this "shit show" is because the FBI has in it's mission "Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and espionage". Fucking simple as that. And if your knight-in-shining-armour sits next to Putin at a RT gala for money, yeah, they will look into that. Because of their second top priority. (First priority is combatting terrorism)
Anyway, the grand jury is there for Flynn, your champion.
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