Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

[jbird4049]

We're all right, thanks for your concern.

93 deaths a day is ''all right''. Ok. Hope it's never someone you love.

That's a bullshit number. More than half are suicides. Some other percentage are lawful homicides (self-defense). The actual number of gun murders is pretty low.

Without reading all the 47 proceeding pages.

My understanding is this. People on both sides are using some fecal matter.

According to Wikipedia in 2013 of the 33,638 gun deaths, 2/3rd of the gun deaths were suicides( 21,175), and a (relatively) few accidents(505), and 1/3rd are actual homicides(11,208). From what I understand, gun deaths have remained roughly consistent for a few decades. So rounding up that's 12,000/365 ~ 32 homicides per day, and 22,000/365 ~ 60 suicides per day.

All bad, but there are 35,000 auto deaths per year also.

BTW less than 400 homicides per year by the long guns of all types, including the dreaded "assault weapon". All this talk about the dangers of "assault weapons" is just emotional propagandistic B.S. like the phrase"death panels" that are used to press emotional buttons instead of rational conversations.

Most of these deaths are indirectly caused by mental illness, and poverty. If we did not have the "War on Drugs", had a real healthcare system that provided actual healthcare that didn't bankrupt the ill, was not the most incarcerated population of any other country on Earth, and a functioning economy, most of these deaths would simply go away. Hell, the declining life expectancy that is happening in our nation would also go away.

But we do not. Instead we all go around and around on the guns, and the evil terrorists. And trillions of dollars each on wars we are losing, bailing out crooked companies, and a security state better designed to secure those in power from us, rather than secure us from danger...

Enjoy your righteous anger, and your mental masturbation.

[Penner]

Ok then, now how do we do this without the suspension of the free press and state censorship? There are already laws in place to stop incitement to violence even in the ''free world of America''. Whenever I tried to support UK rules about incitement to hate I got a lot of ''thin edge of the wedge'' arguments thrown back in my face. I still don't think ''we can't do that because it might lead to this'' is a valid argument but I never supported a crime of biased reporting law like you seem to be doing.

When the press is no longer the 4th pillar, but an extension of one of the three, it is time to tare it down and rebuild it to be exactly what it was meant to be.

Don't forget, the media is controlled/owned by only a handful of people, it is a monopoly on a scale that should not exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_cro ... ted_States

Who owns those companies? Now don't forget we also have the same issue with newspapers as well.

We need to break up this bastardization of what we call the media, they all answer to about a dozen or so people, especially the big papers and media entities...

When one paper runs a story, they all run it... it's not because they can't come up with their own story, its because they are all parroting the same thing because of ownership. Instead of doing their own research, or any at all it is easier to repeat than report.

+1

There are stories every year that come along and shouldn't be national stories, but they are. Like the story 10 years ago where the husband killed the wife in the new fishing boat around Christmas. I still don't know why that local story became national.

Are you talking about the Scott Peterson's case where he killed his pregnant wife and then used the new fishing boat to dump her body?

[TheReal_ND]

93 deaths a day is ''all right''. Ok. Hope it's never someone you love.

That's a bullshit number. More than half are suicides. Some other percentage are lawful homicides (self-defense). The actual number of gun murders is pretty low.

Without reading all the 47 proceeding pages.

My understanding is this. People on both sides are using some fecal matter.

According to Wikipedia in 2013 of the 33,638 gun deaths, 2/3rd of the gun deaths were suicides( 21,175), and a (relatively) few accidents(505), and 1/3rd are actual homicides(11,208). From what I understand, gun deaths have remained roughly consistent for a few decades. So rounding up that's 12,000/365 ~ 32 homicides per day, and 22,000/365 ~ 60 suicides per day.

All bad, but there are 35,000 auto deaths per year also.

BTW less than 400 homicides per year by the long guns of all types, including the dreaded "assault weapon". All this talk about the dangers of "assault weapons" is just emotional propagandistic B.S. like the phrase"death panels" that are used to press emotional buttons instead of rational conversations.

Most of these deaths are indirectly caused by mental illness, and poverty. If we did not have the "War on Drugs", had a real healthcare system that provided actual healthcare that didn't bankrupt the ill, was not the most incarcerated population of any other country on Earth, and a functioning economy, most of these deaths would simply go away. Hell, the declining life expectancy that is happening in our nation would also go away.

But we do not. Instead we all go around and around on the guns, and the evil terrorists. And trillions of dollars each on wars we are losing, bailing out crooked companies, and a security state better designed to secure those in power from us, rather than secure us from danger...

Enjoy your righteous anger, and your mental masturbation.

I mostly agree with this post except I'm in favor of expanding incarceration for violent crime and paedos. I'm sure I missed something else I disagree with as well. Trying to listen to a podcast and follow a drama thread somewhere else. ADD ftw

[heydaralon]

93 deaths a day is ''all right''. Ok. Hope it's never someone you love.

That's a bullshit number. More than half are suicides. Some other percentage are lawful homicides (self-defense). The actual number of gun murders is pretty low.

Without reading all the 47 proceeding pages.

My understanding is this. People on both sides are using some fecal matter.

According to Wikipedia in 2013 of the 33,638 gun deaths, 2/3rd of the gun deaths were suicides( 21,175), and a (relatively) few accidents(505), and 1/3rd are actual homicides(11,208). From what I understand, gun deaths have remained roughly consistent for a few decades. So rounding up that's 12,000/365 ~ 32 homicides per day, and 22,000/365 ~ 60 suicides per day.

All bad, but there are 35,000 auto deaths per year also.

BTW less than 400 homicides per year by the long guns of all types, including the dreaded "assault weapon". All this talk about the dangers of "assault weapons" is just emotional propagandistic B.S. like the phrase"death panels" that are used to press emotional buttons instead of rational conversations.

Most of these deaths are indirectly caused by mental illness, and poverty. If we did not have the "War on Drugs", had a real healthcare system that provided actual healthcare that didn't bankrupt the ill, was not the most incarcerated population of any other country on Earth, and a functioning economy, most of these deaths would simply go away. Hell, the declining life expectancy that is happening in our nation would also go away.

But we do not. Instead we all go around and around on the guns, and the evil terrorists. And trillions of dollars each on wars we are losing, bailing out crooked companies, and a security state better designed to secure those in power from us, rather than secure us from danger...

Enjoy your righteous anger, and your mental masturbation.

Good post jbird. A really interesting comparison would be to look at other Westernized countries and compare their suicide rates to those of the United States.

The anti-gun side seems to use the suicide numbers a lot in their discussion of firearms deaths. This drives me nuts. I was arguing with a guy about this awhile back and he kept blurring the line between suicide and homicide, as though they were the same thing. Its tragic but its not the same thing at all.

[Speaker to Animals]

93 deaths a day is ''all right''. Ok. Hope it's never someone you love.

That's a bullshit number. More than half are suicides. Some other percentage are lawful homicides (self-defense). The actual number of gun murders is pretty low.

Without reading all the 47 proceeding pages.

My understanding is this. People on both sides are using some fecal matter.

According to Wikipedia in 2013 of the 33,638 gun deaths, 2/3rd of the gun deaths were suicides( 21,175), and a (relatively) few accidents(505), and 1/3rd are actual homicides(11,208). From what I understand, gun deaths have remained roughly consistent for a few decades. So rounding up that's 12,000/365 ~ 32 homicides per day, and 22,000/365 ~ 60 suicides per day.

All bad, but there are 35,000 auto deaths per year also.

BTW less than 400 homicides per year by the long guns of all types, including the dreaded "assault weapon". All this talk about the dangers of "assault weapons" is just emotional propagandistic B.S. like the phrase"death panels" that are used to press emotional buttons instead of rational conversations.

Most of these deaths are indirectly caused by mental illness, and poverty. If we did not have the "War on Drugs", had a real healthcare system that provided actual healthcare that didn't bankrupt the ill, was not the most incarcerated population of any other country on Earth, and a functioning economy, most of these deaths would simply go away. Hell, the declining life expectancy that is happening in our nation would also go away.

But we do not. Instead we all go around and around on the guns, and the evil terrorists. And trillions of dollars each on wars we are losing, bailing out crooked companies, and a security state better designed to secure those in power from us, rather than secure us from danger...

Enjoy your righteous anger, and your mental masturbation.

I am not sure how to prove this, but I suspect the majority of suicides in the United States are men who were alienated from their children, reduced to hopeless and abject poverty through child support/alimony, robbed by society of their identity as fathers and even as men, and then demonized for their inability to pay a hundred grand or more to the egg donor of the baby for the male privilege of their children stolen from them.

If you want to get to the root causes of suicides anyway.. Might want to look towards your own leftist politics there..

In my opinion, the vast majority of "mental health" problems exist because people were crushed by an evil system.

[TheReal_ND]

Doubt it. None of that applies to gender fluid 51/50 Bernouts.

Suicide is an implicitly white and East Asian phenomenon. If you look at the stats the least likely, and I mean extremely unlikely, type of person that kills themselves are black women. Infinite amount of speculation why that I don't get into but it does break down by race. Something never factored into the statistics are the majority of gun deaths are white males killing themselves and the rest are black males killing both older white people and each other.

[heydaralon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate


According to wikipedia, US is number 48 for suicide. These are raw numbers without further breakdown so this could be misleading. There are quite a few Eastern European countries higher than us. Sweden comes in at number 46. Belgium at 23.

[TheReal_ND]

The US is only 48% European abstraction so make of that what you will with my other post.

[heydaralon]

Doubt it. None of that applies to gender fluid 51/50 Bernouts.

Suicide is an implicitly white and East Asian phenomenon. If you look at the stats the least likely, and I mean extremely unlikely, type of person that kills themselves are black women. Infinite amount of speculation why that I don't get into but it does break down by race. Something never factored into the statistics are the majority of gun deaths are white males killing themselves and the rest are black males killing both older white people and each other.

On this suicide rate list, there are a bunch of African and South American countries near the top. I do think in the US white people decide to end their own lives at a far more alarming rate than other minorities. I'm not a sociologist so I don't know the causes.

[TheReal_ND]

Interesting. Like I said, I decline to speculate on the reasoning behind it. Perhaps it's more inline with what StA brought up than I originally thought. I was under the assumption that if the demographics were closer to 1990 pre columbine pre Clinton/Bush "assault" weapon ban we would appear to be a much more civilized country than we look on paper.