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[Okeefenokee]

Trying to remember, I think they call it a float when you go out to sea with the fleet for a duration. The purpose of a float is to go out and sail around in circles for a while, then return to the home port, so when it's done you haven't moved anyone anywhere.

When the individual sailors get orders to move to a different port, they buy a plane ticket and get reimbursed.

Damn. I did not know that.

Yeah, I think you're right about the navy sailing all over the world like that, and Marines are where I heard about this, so I know they go out there too.

But the services don't relocate large numbers of soldiers outside of an operation like Desert storm. Every individual soldier, sailor etc is on his own calendar as to how long before the next PCS, and where he will be going, so it would be pretty hard to coordinate massive movements of troops like that, and since we already have these other planes taking off and landing all day every day, it makes more sense.

The army can move troops in C17s if it needs to, so it's not like the ability isn't there.

[heydaralon]

Navy and Air Force probably wear civies at the airport. They are pretty lax. Not grunts. Grunts have to be reminded they are grunts.

One of the army guys I used to work with said that the Air Force got better food and housing accomodations. He got to eat at their mess hall one time and he has resented them ever since. He did not like his time in the army much either lol...

[heydaralon]

Trying to remember, I think they call it a float when you go out to sea with the fleet for a duration. The purpose of a float is to go out and sail around in circles for a while, then return to the home port, so when it's done you haven't moved anyone anywhere.

When the individual sailors get orders to move to a different port, they buy a plane ticket and get reimbursed.

Damn. I did not know that.

Yeah, I think you're right about the navy sailing all over the world like that, and Marines are where I heard about this, so I know they go out there too.

But the services don't relocate large numbers of soldiers outside of an operation like Desert storm. Every individual soldier, sailor etc is on his own calendar as to how long before the next PCS, and where he will be going, so it would be pretty hard to coordinate massive movements of troops like that, and since we already have these other planes taking off and landing all day every day, it makes more sense.

The army can move troops in C17s if it needs to, so it's not like the ability isn't there.

In terms of safety, is a C17 a safer choice than a carrier? What I mean is, if you were in a WW2 combat situation with enemies trying to prevent your troops from getting where they need to go, would a carrier be more likely to be sunk than a C17 getting shot down? This is hypothetical, because I have no idea how a war could even play out like that with modern weapons.

[TheReal_ND]

I found Pvt Joker

[Speaker to Animals]

What is your reasoning behind this?

That most of what we dump into the USN is an utter waste.

Granted, a lot of of the same problems exist in all the branches, especially the USAF.

But looking at a world war three conflict.. the Navy is a joke. The carrier groups will be sunk. That's a lot of capital that could have gone into building a better army.

The Air Force needs a major shakeup. The original plan was global power, global reach. They need to return to that. I'd scrap the F-35 program forthwith. Tell Lockmart to start designing new F-22 models with the kinds of avionics packages they put on the F-35.

I'd go to Northrup Grumman in secret and tell them straight out, I don't like the idea of the current generation of aircraft. I want aircraft we launch from CONUS that can achieve suborbital flight, and strike anywhere on Earth. There's no need for a carrier group when you have that. They can even launch kinetic rods up there and not get anywhere near the range at which they can be shot down.

The army needs it's own air assets for CAS. Give them the A-10 instead of retiring the fucking thing. Then start a project for a newer version of it. I am not an army guy, so I don't know what they really need on the ground, but I would start by talking to commanders at the battalion level.

I'd retire almost everybody you see in the Pentagon overnight.


Right now, the purpose of the MIC is to keep the tax dollars flowing. The purpose of the MIC should be to win wars, and win wars we don't necessarily get to choose.

The War Nerd wrote a great piece about how vulnerable our carriers would be in the Persian Gulf even against those dinghys and speedboats that the Iranian Navy uses. He is right, but aren't carriers the best way to move large amounts of troops quickly? Any transport ship is gonna be kind of a sitting duck, but as long as wars are fought with humans there has to be some way to effectively move lots of them around.

C-5 Galaxy








The Army and Air Force couldn't give less of a fuck about a carrier group.

[Ex-California]

I grew up in an town Travis and lived under C-5s doing stop and goes my whole childhood

Those fuckers are huge

[heydaralon]

That most of what we dump into the USN is an utter waste.

Granted, a lot of of the same problems exist in all the branches, especially the USAF.

But looking at a world war three conflict.. the Navy is a joke. The carrier groups will be sunk. That's a lot of capital that could have gone into building a better army.

The Air Force needs a major shakeup. The original plan was global power, global reach. They need to return to that. I'd scrap the F-35 program forthwith. Tell Lockmart to start designing new F-22 models with the kinds of avionics packages they put on the F-35.

I'd go to Northrup Grumman in secret and tell them straight out, I don't like the idea of the current generation of aircraft. I want aircraft we launch from CONUS that can achieve suborbital flight, and strike anywhere on Earth. There's no need for a carrier group when you have that. They can even launch kinetic rods up there and not get anywhere near the range at which they can be shot down.

The army needs it's own air assets for CAS. Give them the A-10 instead of retiring the fucking thing. Then start a project for a newer version of it. I am not an army guy, so I don't know what they really need on the ground, but I would start by talking to commanders at the battalion level.

I'd retire almost everybody you see in the Pentagon overnight.


Right now, the purpose of the MIC is to keep the tax dollars flowing. The purpose of the MIC should be to win wars, and win wars we don't necessarily get to choose.

The War Nerd wrote a great piece about how vulnerable our carriers would be in the Persian Gulf even against those dinghys and speedboats that the Iranian Navy uses. He is right, but aren't carriers the best way to move large amounts of troops quickly? Any transport ship is gonna be kind of a sitting duck, but as long as wars are fought with humans there has to be some way to effectively move lots of them around.

C-5 Galaxy








The Army and Air Force couldn't give less of a fuck about a carrier group.

In terms of vulnerability, wouldn't the C5 be just as much of an easy target as a carrier?

[TheReal_ND]

Is their actually any point to the paint scheme or did the CO ask the SSg, "so what do you think we should paint her?"

"Idk the usual?"

[Speaker to Animals]

The War Nerd wrote a great piece about how vulnerable our carriers would be in the Persian Gulf even against those dinghys and speedboats that the Iranian Navy uses. He is right, but aren't carriers the best way to move large amounts of troops quickly? Any transport ship is gonna be kind of a sitting duck, but as long as wars are fought with humans there has to be some way to effectively move lots of them around.

C-5 Galaxy








The Army and Air Force couldn't give less of a fuck about a carrier group.

In terms of vulnerability, wouldn't the C5 be just as much of an easy target as a carrier?

Not really.


We wouldn't fly it in contested air space. The main vulnerability is take of and landing, but we clear that area out pretty well ahead of time. And just shooting one down is not like sinking a whole carrier group either.

We move most our troops by air as it is. I think only the marines (sometimes) take a ship these days.

[The Conservative]

Trying to remember, I think they call it a float when you go out to sea with the fleet for a duration. The purpose of a float is to go out and sail around in circles for a while, then return to the home port, so when it's done you haven't moved anyone anywhere.

When the individual sailors get orders to move to a different port, they buy a plane ticket and get reimbursed.

Flotilla actually.