Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[BjornP]

Orban didn't win a Socialist level landslide ala Castro. There were multiple parties, another Right Winger came in second and the Euro Friendlies came in last. Hungary has rejected Globalism for National Indpendence. Which is a good thing, everyone should do it. Because if you don't your going to be working for our Bush and Clinton Clans.

You're looking for some strange parameters. They did win in a landslide. That result, in a multi-party election system, is a landslide. The opposition (which isn't just "socialist", btw) lost because they didn't ally as a political bloc/alliance, which is also common in multi-party systems.

I linked how Fidesz is undermining Hungarian democracy and liberty. Yes, everyone should reject globalism, Carlus... again, so does North Korea. So does China. So does Saudi Arabia, certainly. So does Iran. Is North Korea, China, SA and Iran therefore great, democratic, liberty-loving countries? No, well, then maaaaaaybe, simply being against those things isn't really all that much to celebrate if they're also shithole countries or turning into shithole countries.

You realize that Fidesz isn't seeking a "Hunexit", right? Oh, and that good economy Hungary's been having? Courtesy of the EU:

https://budapestbeacon.com/hungary-amon ... -eu-funds/

[Speaker to Animals]

I disagree. The Right Wing Tacticool Derps are the pussies. The Lefties are in Direct Action mode. Their cracking skulls in the street, knifing people, burning down campi to shutdown free speech, shooting up Rightie Congress, killing Cops. Now, the Lefties are literally confiscating Guns. The Right Wing Derps better learn the Lefties mean to take away their civil rights and punish them.

Tacticool faggots are not what would have made it happen.

It would have happened by entire state and local governments refusing to carry out the orders of the federal government. It would have happened when an assault weapons ban was ordered, and NOBODY turned in their rifles, daring the federal government to have to form some kind of federal police force to come and take them. Unlike Trump, I think the democrats would actually try to force these issues instead of being diplomatic about it. That's what they always have done, ever since Waco and Elion Gonzales.

Those faggots you saw out west squatting on public land are non-issues here. They are welfare queens who wanted more gibs from the federal tits, not people revolting on any level.

The Righties are not fighting SJW Totalitarianism. They are voting with their feet and leaving. You can't rent a Uhaul in California because they are all in Arizona and Texas.

Bundy's stood up to Federali overreach and won................ only cost em Tarp Man

LOL

Bundy's are huge welfare queens who created a shit storm for more gibs, no differently than blacks burning down a few blocks to get more gibs. Literally gibs bandits.

[C-Mag]

Orban didn't win a Socialist level landslide ala Castro. There were multiple parties, another Right Winger came in second and the Euro Friendlies came in last. Hungary has rejected Globalism for National Indpendence. Which is a good thing, everyone should do it. Because if you don't your going to be working for our Bush and Clinton Clans.

You're looking for some strange parameters. They did win in a landslide. That result, in a multi-party election system, is a landslide. The opposition (which isn't just "socialist", btw) lost because they didn't ally as a political bloc/alliance, which is also common in multi-party systems.

I linked how Fidesz is undermining Hungarian democracy and liberty. Yes, everyone should reject globalism, Carlus... again, so does North Korea. So does China. So does Saudi Arabia, certainly. So does Iran. Is North Korea, China, SA and Iran therefore great, democratic, liberty-loving countries? No, well, then maaaaaaybe, simply being against those things isn't really all that much to celebrate if they're also shithole countries or turning into shithole countries.

You realize that Fidesz isn't seeking a "Hunexit", right? Oh, and that good economy Hungary's been having? Courtesy of the EU:

https://budapestbeacon.com/hungary-amon ... -eu-funds/

The main reason I dislike Globalism is that it destroys peoples ability for self determination. The NorKs, the Iranian Mullahs, the Chinese can have all the oppressive tyrants they want. It's one of the problems with Progressive Ideology that countries need to follow some dogma in government or leadership. Russkies elect Putin because Russkies Love Strongman............. that's a country that begged Ivan the Terrible to take charge and straighten out the country. If the NorKs want Rocket Man, fine. Just don't fuck we me.

IMO, the Huns voted Orban in because they wanted strong leadership that would oppose Muslim immigration in Hungary. I'm not real Skookum on the Hungarian culture and history................sadly, so I can't say if Orban types are typical leaders for Huns. I have hint they have been for hundreds of years though.

[BjornP]

I don't fucking get it.
How many times do they have to see this same thing played out time and again. But they won't admit they were wrong or fix it. They would rather offer up their kids than fix it.

It's frankly amazing that you believe the bullshit about Europeans passively accepting Muslim rape gangs running wild in the streets. First of all, 95% of all the "European" stories about police and social workers not acting on crime among immigrants all comes from Britain. That's one, one country, you guys constantly use as basis for a generalization about half a continent.

Nah, I post shit about stuff all over Europe. Sweden is realizing their mistakes, France, Germany, Belgium all have serious Muslim Immigrant issues.. There is plenty of news of this type to go around. Plenty.

There is also plenty of stories in European media about how the cause of all your mass shootings is those nasty, primitive gun laws, and that Americans are oh, so stupid for not realizing that they should just ditch your 2nd amndt, entirely. Plenty. And let's not forget all those stories about kids accidentally shooting themselves, and lone gunmen, and other gun crimes. Whenever they get reported on, there's always a comment on your gun "primitive" gun laws.

And that's even coming from a European press and public that generally understands and knows way more about America and Americans, than the American press and (especially) public know about anything going on in (non-British) Europe. Point being, lots of Europeans, whose only knowledge about American guns, comes from onlyhearing about your gun rights in the context of mass shooting and all other horrible shit, are not going to associate your gun laws with anything good. Which is precisely how most European media tackle your gun culture and gun issues.

A littlecritical thinking, a little research of your own, could improve sanity among both the European thinking all US gunowners are sick psychos who want to mow down children, and the American who thinks Euros are sick psychos who don't care about the supposed hordes of Muslim rape gangs that roam all of Europe, 24/7, on every street corner, in all of Western and Northern Europe.

[C-Mag]

It's frankly amazing that you believe the bullshit about Europeans passively accepting Muslim rape gangs running wild in the streets. First of all, 95% of all the "European" stories about police and social workers not acting on crime among immigrants all comes from Britain. That's one, one country, you guys constantly use as basis for a generalization about half a continent.

Nah, I post shit about stuff all over Europe. Sweden is realizing their mistakes, France, Germany, Belgium all have serious Muslim Immigrant issues.. There is plenty of news of this type to go around. Plenty.

There is also plenty of stories in European media about how the cause of all your mass shootings is those nasty, primitive gun laws, and that Americans are oh, so stupid for not realizing that they should just ditch your 2nd amndt, entirely. Plenty. And let's not forget all those stories about kids accidentally shooting themselves, and lone gunmen, and other gun crimes. Whenever they get reported on, there's always a comment on your gun "primitive" gun laws.

And that's even coming from a European press and public that generally understands and knows way more about America and Americans, than the American press and (especially) public know about anything going on in (non-British) Europe. Point being, lots of Europeans, whose only knowledge about American guns, comes from onlyhearing about your gun rights in the context of mass shooting and all other horrible shit, are not going to associate your gun laws with anything good. Which is precisely how most European media tackle your gun culture and gun issues.

A littlecritical thinking, a little research of your own, could improve sanity among both the European thinking all US gunowners are sick psychos who want to mow down children, and the American who thinks Euros are sick psychos who don't care about the supposed hordes of Muslim rape gangs that roam all of Europe, 24/7, on every street corner, in all of Western and Northern Europe.

+1 Good Points
You know a lot of this is just tit for tat, us poking each other. You always fight hardest with your kin.

[BjornP]

The main reason I dislike Globalism is that it destroys peoples ability for self determination. The NorKs, the Iranian Mullahs, the Chinese can have all the oppressive tyrants they want. It's one of the problems with Progressive Ideology that countries need to follow some dogma in government or leadership. Russkies elect Putin because Russkies Love Strongman............. that's a country that begged Ivan the Terrible to take charge and straighten out the country. If the NorKs want Rocket Man, fine. Just don't fuck we me.

IMO, the Huns voted Orban in because they wanted strong leadership that would oppose Muslim immigration in Hungary. I'm not real Skookum on the Hungarian culture and history................sadly, so I can't say if Orban types are typical leaders for Huns. I have hint they have been for hundreds of years though.

I think you misunderstand what self-determination means. It doesn't refer to a "globalist vs. national" question, at all. Self-determination applies to peoples who want to determine their own rule. You list China and Russia and claim they love strongmen. Well, the Chechens of Russia and Uyghurs of China also want/wanted self-determination. You support them, too?

Hungary didn't become a democracy until the early 90's, and they had been gradually improving their democratic institutions and improving their liberty untill Fidesz. Never had any experience with it, until after the USSR fell, though. Neither did Denmark before 1848, for that matter. Neither did the American colonies before 1776. Or Norway before 1814. Or Japan before 1945. The idea that NoKs "want" tyrants, is an absurd. They aren't consulted, and if they were, they'd get thrown in prison or simply executed for voicing the wrong opinion.

All European cultures, yours included (as a descendent of Europeans, anyhow), have lived under what 9/10 Westerners would call tyrants if you go back just a couple of centuries. Less, in a lot of cases.

This doesn't mean you should invade all countries with a different culture, value system, etc. But just as their countries, even NK, have a sovereign right to have whatever domestic policies they wish, any neighbouring country naturally have the same sovereign right to react in whatever way they wish. Even if it means embargoes, sanctions, etc. And even if it's hypocritical. Iran and Hungary can do what they want to some religious minority they want, but neighbouring countries who perhaps are made up of a majority of that minority can choose to react how they like.

[BjornP]

+1 Good Points
You know a lot of this is just tit for tat, us poking each other. You always fight hardest with your kin.

Thanks Carlus, appreciate the sentiment.

[Montegriffo]

Do the torries on here even have kids? Do most native English have kids?

There is only one Tory here, he has no kids and isn't even English.
Hope that answers your questions.

[Zlaxer]

Do the torries on here even have kids? Do most native English have kids?

There is only one Tory here, he has no kids and isn't even English.
Hope that answers your questions.

Spoken like a true Tory - You Tory.

[Montegriffo]

Do the torries on here even have kids? Do most native English have kids?

There is only one Tory here, he has no kids and isn't even English.
Hope that answers your questions.

Spoken like a true Tory - You Tory.

Why is it called the Tory party?
In the latter part of the century, "Conservative" emerged as the official name. "Tory" was also used during the American War of Independence to refer to colonists who were loyal to the British monarchy. The term has also endured in Canada where centre-right Conservatives are known as Tories

Still only one Tory here, by either definition, and it's still not me.