Degenerate Faggots Starting Civil War2.0

[C-Mag]

A Clinton Gang member saying Trump is behind this ?

Let's see if Project Veritas comes out with more evidence than Little Reich is inferring.

[apeman]

Reich gets posted to my facebook page a lot as if he is a credible, non-partisan source.

[Smitty-48]

Then give us Zion.

"Take it by force of arms, or you're not worthy of it"- Smitty Wolf

The Zionists didn't sit around in the waaaghmbulance, bro, they took Israel from the Arabs, in a war of conquest.

Nobody "gives" you Zion, Zion, you take.

Yeah, they took it. Right after Britain gave it to them. They sure took it alright.

Actually, Zionism began under the Ottoman Turks, but neither Ottoman Turkey nor British Palestine were Israel nor in fact anything like it, what you had under the Turks and the British, was in fact multi-culturalism, and there was in fact generally peaceful coexistence, it was actually the rise of the Bolsheviks and then the Nazis, which radicalized the Zionists, a new and radical Right Wing Zionism, and this did not arrive until the end of the Second World War, and when it did arrive, it promptly went to war with the British to drive them out, so that it could then launch its war of conquest against the Arabs.

[Speaker to Animals]

If I were a jew that survived the war, my zionism would be cranked to eleven.

[Smitty-48]

Indeed, and you see what happened was, when the Jews tried to flee the Bolsheviks and/or the Nazis, nobody would take them, Britain, Canada, the United States, we all refused to take them in, so from their point of view, they couldn't rely on anyone but themselves, if they were to have a Zion, they would have to take it, at almost any cost, the Holocaust, could not be permitted to happen again, so in fact, this is the birth of Israel.

There is a distinction, Zionism and Israel are not the same thing, Israel, is Zionism by force of arms.

There is no Israel in the Balfour Declaration, the Balfour Declaration; is multiculturalism, but in the wake of the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, the new and radical Right Wing Zionism, rejected that out of hand, and in fact went to war against it.

[BjornP]

In 1948, didn't Israel get their weapons and ammo from the Soviets? Also wouldn't call Labour Zionism right wing radicalism.

[Smitty-48]

In 1948, didn't Israel get their weapons and ammo from the Soviets? Also wouldn't call Labour Zionism right wing radicalism.

There is a socialist component, but those are the descendants of the original Zionists, the Labour Party, are not the radicals of Israel, although they are the ones who want it both ways, but wanting to have it both ways, have their Israel and Multiculturalism too, is why they have been rejected, thus the rise of Likud.

There is an Isreali Left, but they were not the ones who incited Israel Uber Alles. Up until 1948, the Left is what dominated Zionism, but that was who was living in peaceful coexistence with the Arabs for decades, it's the arrival of the hard Right radicals from Europe after the war, that drives the Israeli conquest.

Zionism comes in waves, initially very internationalist socialist, but getting ever more right wing as it goes, the successive waves are increasingly dominated by nationalist hardliners.

As for where they got their weapons; that's facile, they got their weapons from wherever they could get them, they had all sorts of sources for weapons, and invoking the Soviets as the chief benefactors of the Israelis as if it was some sort of Communist take over, is rather silly.

Up until 1973, the chief benefactors of Israel were actually the French, America only got involved over the Cold War, viewing the Pan-Arab nationalists in Syria and Egypt as Soviet Proxies, and so intervening on the Israeli side, over the Yom Kippur war.

America's stalwart support of Israel, just another Cold War Legacy Project, but it was actually the French, who built the vaunted Israeli Air Force which won the Six Day War, and it was also the French, who gave Israel the Bomb.

[BjornP]

Well, no argument from me against the fact Israels left eventually collapsed. I thought you were saying the country was founded in 1948 by right-wing radicals.

And I was under the impression that most Israelis today are actually Mizrahi rather than Ashkenazi, even including the Russian ones following the Soviet progroms. Doesn't really change your conclusion, though. Mizrahi Jews probably had little in common with Western European descended Labour Zionists.

[Okeefenokee]

9/11 was an inside job.

[Smitty-48]

Well, no argument from me against the fact Israels left eventually collapsed. I thought you were saying the country was founded in 1948 by right-wing radicals.

And I was under the impression that most Israelis today are actually Mizrahi rather than Ashkenazi, even including the Russian ones following the Soviet progroms. Doesn't really change your conclusion, though. Mizrahi Jews probably had little in common with Western European descended Labour Zionists.

It was jointly founded, but it was the increasingly and radically Right Wing shift in Zionism, coming at the end of the Second World War, which went to war against the Balfour Declaration, bear in mind, Okee's original assertion was that the British "gave Israel to the Zionists", but that was not the case, the British invoked a multicultural Palestine, and the Leftist Zionists had populated that multicultural Palestine, but it wasn't the Leftist Zionists who drove the war to drive the British out, and then take Israel as a conquest by force of arms, for that, the Leftists were complicit, but they were not the ones who wanted to conquer, they envisioned and still envision; a multicultural Israel, it was the Right, who rejected that, and said Isreali Uber Alles.

If you look at the foundations of the Likud, the Right Wing Nationalist Hardliners, these are the "terrorists", who attacked the British in Palestine after the Second World War, and then went after the Arabs so ferociously in the wake. In terms of economic policies, they were socialistic, but it was a national socialism, socialism, but only for the Jews, Arabs, get the fuck out, which; is hardly the doctrine of the Internationalist Left, eh wot?