Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:30 pm

U.S. tells Ukraine it won’t send long-range missiles because it has few to spare
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/1 ... e-00082652

The US has now put a lot of qualifiers on the promised M1 Abrahams. They said they will send them, but we have to build them first. We can't send M-1's, because we can't risk letting our tech out.

Folks we don't have M-1 Abrahams factories, those were torn down in 80s. All the M-1s were built in the 70s and 80s and now we just update them. Ukraine isn't getting tanks from us.

I have also heard on podcasts, that the Germans are starting to pull back on their pledge for tanks because they feel tricked by the USA.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:52 pm

Well, Democrats fucked it up again.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:58 pm

Oh noes. Without funding NATO, what will we spend our fake money on?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by TheOneX » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:09 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:30 pm
U.S. tells Ukraine it won’t send long-range missiles because it has few to spare
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/1 ... e-00082652

The US has now put a lot of qualifiers on the promised M1 Abrahams. They said they will send them, but we have to build them first. We can't send M-1's, because we can't risk letting our tech out.

Folks we don't have M-1 Abrahams factories, those were torn down in 80s. All the M-1s were built in the 70s and 80s and now we just update them. Ukraine isn't getting tanks from us.

I have also heard on podcasts, that the Germans are starting to pull back on their pledge for tanks because they feel tricked by the USA.
What? No they didn't, they still have the plant in Lima, OH building Abrams. Production has greatly diminished since the 80's, focus is more on refurbishment, but they still build new ones. There were plans to close down the plant, but Trump did the opposite.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:21 pm

TheOneX wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:09 pm

What? No they didn't, they still have the plant in Lima, OH building Abrams. Production has greatly diminished since the 80's, focus is more on refurbishment, but they still build new ones. There were plans to close down the plant, but Trump did the opposite.
I was unaware that we still had a plant and are building new ones.

How many Abrahams do we build a year ?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:30 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:21 pm
TheOneX wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:09 pm

What? No they didn't, they still have the plant in Lima, OH building Abrams. Production has greatly diminished since the 80's, focus is more on refurbishment, but they still build new ones. There were plans to close down the plant, but Trump did the opposite.
I was unaware that we still had a plant and are building new ones.

How many Abrahams do we build a year ?
They are looking to have it up to 40 a year by 2025/26 if the congress allows for financing.

https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/0 ... -funds-it/
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:06 pm

Shocker. They need more money
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:27 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:06 pm
Shocker. They need more money
The military may have a spending issue, but it is not even close to the abuse we see from the ACA, or anything else the elites have put into place in the last 30 years.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:31 am

Looks like we’ve ceded Crimea. Somebody finally realized that they made a mistake.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... about-face
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:00 am

TheOneX wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:09 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:30 pm
U.S. tells Ukraine it won’t send long-range missiles because it has few to spare
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/1 ... e-00082652

The US has now put a lot of qualifiers on the promised M1 Abrahams. They said they will send them, but we have to build them first. We can't send M-1's, because we can't risk letting our tech out.

Folks we don't have M-1 Abrahams factories, those were torn down in 80s. All the M-1s were built in the 70s and 80s and now we just update them. Ukraine isn't getting tanks from us.

I have also heard on podcasts, that the Germans are starting to pull back on their pledge for tanks because they feel tricked by the USA.
What? No they didn't, they still have the plant in Lima, OH building Abrams. Production has greatly diminished since the 80's, focus is more on refurbishment, but they still build new ones. There were plans to close down the plant, but Trump did the opposite.
So, I looked into this a little more. You are correct the factory is there, and Trump saved it.

From what I can tell is they do have plans to build new Abrams, but none are being produced at this time. The facility is still being used to refit.

I tried to find the number of tanks being produced there in the last decade, but didn't find any new, from scratch, tanks being produced there.

Let me know if you find something different, I'm truly interested.
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