Europe, Boring Until it's Not
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not
Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.
All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.
All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.
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You are arguing that humans shouldn't be treated differently than animals because there aren't important moral distinctions between them, as far as I understand it.JohnDonne wrote:Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.
All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.
If this is derived from your sentience standard, than the sentience standard creates the questionable implications, it doesn't solve them.
HAIL!
Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Just because they appear to have equal ethical value doesn’t mean treating them the same as humans.Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:You are arguing that humans shouldn't be treated differently than animals because there aren't important moral distinctions between them, as far as I understand it.JohnDonne wrote:Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.
All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.
If this is derived from your sentience standard, than the sentience standard creates the questionable implications, it doesn't solve them.
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Oh, then I agree with you. One of the ways we treat them differently is that we eat them.JohnDonne wrote:Just because they appear to have equal ethical value doesn’t mean treating them the same as humans.Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:You are arguing that humans shouldn't be treated differently than animals because there aren't important moral distinctions between them, as far as I understand it.JohnDonne wrote:Your argument has questionable implications and you are throwing it on me like I’m the one arguing for it, while refusing to address them yourself.
All that goes away if you use the sentience standard.
If this is derived from your sentience standard, than the sentience standard creates the questionable implications, it doesn't solve them.
Problem solved.
HAIL!
Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
-Hwen
Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Then you open the door to eating sentient humans on similar grounds. I wouldn’t do that, it’s not ethical.
Not only that, you never even named the grounds.
Not only that, you never even named the grounds.
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There you go again, stating that the equivalent ethical value allows for equivalent treatment. I think that animals have considerably less ethical value than humans, so I don't run the risk of stumbling into cannibalism. Your insistence on the moral equivalence of sentience is the only argument that seems to lead down that path, since none of the non-vegans here seem to think eating humans is an option.JohnDonne wrote:Then you open the door to eating sentient humans on similar grounds. I wouldn’t do that, it’s not ethical.
HAIL!
Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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I suspect J D for looking for an excuse to treat some people like rats.
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna
Nie lügen die Menschen so viel wie nach einer Jagd, während eines Krieges oder vor Wahlen. - Otto von Bismarck
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If only we embraced Mother Gaia like our cousins.
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Did you see that Jordan Peterson clip about chimps I put up in the Hoppe / alt right thread?Speaker to Animals wrote:If only we embraced Mother Gaia like our cousins.
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I would argue for different standards of treatment, it’s just I would argue on grounds that I can justify without resorting to a double standard.Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:There you go again, stating that the equivalent ethical value allows for equivalent treatment. I think that animals have considerably less ethical value than humans, so I don't run the risk of stumbling into cannibalism. Your insistence on the moral equivalence of sentience is the only argument that seems to lead down that path, since none of the non-vegans here seem to think eating humans is an option.JohnDonne wrote:Then you open the door to eating sentient humans on similar grounds. I wouldn’t do that, it’s not ethical.
For example, animals like to be left alone in nature, so I would argue it’s ethical to leave them alone in nature.
Of course you seem to find trouble with the whole idea of giving reasons for things.