“More Democrats Should Be Calling for the Repeal of the Second Amendment”

[DrYouth]

Didn't they remove Sociopath from the diagnostic manual?

It was never in the DSM.

DSM has an even less helpful diagnosis Antisocial Personality Disorder... which covers a much wider range of problems.
There is substantial overlap... but sociopathy/psychopathy is more specific.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think so, the vast majority of sociopaths are of little threat to the individual, violent sociopaths are actually very rare, and most sociopaths are well deterred by the consequences of indictable offence convictions.

The tiny cohort of violent sociopaths actually serve as the deterrent to the vast majority of non violent sociopaths, by running the range in jail.

I don't disagree with this.

Which is why imagining that regulations will reduce this small number is counterproductive.

I don't think the sociopaths are the principle threat vis a vis gun violence against the public writ large, at least not in the context of mass shootings or what have you, the violent sociopaths tend to use violence for the purposes of material gain, the mass shooter profile is unhinged, but it's not sociopathy.

[DrYouth]

I don't think the sociopaths are the principle threat vis a vis gun violence against the public writ large, at least not in the context of mass shootings or what have you, the violent sociopaths tend to use violence for the purposes of material gain, the mass shooter profile is unhinged, but it's not sociopathy.

Dude... you just repeated what I've said over and over in this thread.

Mass shooters are unhinged. They aren't the sociopaths.

The basic checks might stop a few of these wing nuts because unlike the sociopaths they might not be organized or persistent enough to clear the test and background check unless they are already heavily armed at the time they become unhinged.

Of course some will always get through whatever you put in place.

But the basic test and background check... properly enforced by the state or what have you.... is the right balance of non-excessive barrier to the average citizen and enough of a barrier to stop some of the wing nuts.... the sociopaths are rare and unstoppable and generally aren't mass shooters.

I feel like a broken record.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think the sociopaths are the principle threat vis a vis gun violence against the public writ large, at least not in the context of mass shootings or what have you, the violent sociopaths tend to use violence for the purposes of material gain, the mass shooter profile is unhinged, but it's not sociopathy.

Dude... you just repeated what I've said over and over in this thread.

While not addressing the actual issue, which is that sociopaths are not really the problem inciting the gun grabbers to invoke federal overreach, the federal overreach is being invoked in the face of mass casualty murder-suicide profiles, which is psychosis, which as you know, is acute, the chronic symptoms are depression and anxiety, and to pre-screen for that? Unreasonable search, a Stamp Act by any other name.

[DrYouth]

See above edit

[Smitty-48]

See above edit

We already have an RCMP background check, the Americans already have an FBI background check, the gun grabbers, in their emotionally charged hysteria, are not satisfied with that, and are in fact demanding the federal overreach of de facto pre-screening for psychosis, which is actually unconstitutional in both countries.

It's a bait and switch, the gun grabbers have their background checks, in so far as to the limits of constitutionality, but they are simply not taking yes for an answer, and instead continue to demand ever more unrealistic terms for their background check rubrics, which is unacceptable, resulting in an impasse.

[DrYouth]

We already have an RCMP background check, the Americans already have an FBI background check, the gun grabbers, in their emotionally charged hysteria, are not satisfied with that, and are in fact demanding the federal overreach of de facto pre-screening for psychosis, which is actually unconstitutional in both countries.

You can't pre-screen for psychosis... that's complete pseudo-science in additional to unconstitutional.

You and I are agreed on the gun-grabbers.

I only add that some states would do well to enforce the basic checks that are supposed to exist... they can be super lax about those in many areas....

Also stemming the tide of overprescribing antidepressants which can trigger psychosis and impulsive violence seems at least as important when it comes to rare mass shootings. We all know how the pharmaceutical industry would respond to that recommendation. NRA ain't got nothing on Big Pharma.

[Smitty-48]

The perfect background check is a Unicorn, which is simply another aspect of the gun grabber unreasoned hysteria.

It is in fact the gun grabbers who present as the "organized sociopaths", because they are wholly unreasoned in their hysterical embrace of the dogma of Safety > Freedom, and ceaselessly lie, cheat, steal and manipulate in order to achieve those aims, regardless of the dire consequences of their totalitarian proclivities to the nation writ large.

[Okeefenokee]

I don't think the sociopaths are the principle threat vis a vis gun violence against the public writ large, at least not in the context of mass shootings or what have you, the violent sociopaths tend to use violence for the purposes of material gain, the mass shooter profile is unhinged, but it's not sociopathy.

Dude... you just repeated what I've said over and over in this thread.

Mass shooters are unhinged. They aren't the sociopaths.

The basic checks might stop a few of these wing nuts because unlike the sociopaths they might not be organized or persistent enough to clear the test and background check unless they are already heavily armed at the time they become unhinged.

Of course some will always get through whatever you put in place.

But the basic test and background check... properly enforced by the state or what have you.... is the right balance of non-excessive barrier to the average citizen and enough of a barrier to stop some of the wing nuts.... the sociopaths are rare and unstoppable and generally aren't mass shooters.

I feel like a broken record.

That's because you keep asserting that sociopaths are the most likely to be armed without offering any evidence in support.

And every time someone questions your hypothesis, you just restate it with still no supporting evidence.

[Okeefenokee]