Minimum Wage just went up to $11.50 in Washington State. The price of milk is $2.68 a Gallon.

[Okeefenokee]

$250,000 in gross sales.

That's a very small farm indeed. Probably run by the kids on weekends.

^^^doesn't understand what gross means.

There's no chance you're talking out your ass again about some shit you saw in a liberal documentary on netflix. No chance at all.

I understand it perfectly. You clearly do not understand how much land/capital is required to generate $250,000 of produce.

$250,000 gross / $3.50 per bushel / 175.5 bushels per acre = 407 acres of corn.

$3669 per acre (average Missouri price) * 407 acres = $1.493 million.

That's the very top edge of the small farm bracket. The average size is 231 acres.

Also, these are generational farms that stay in the family, not first time city slickers heading out to the country with a bag of gold. Martin's inheritance tax would target them.

Remember when grumps posted that middle school algebra he thought was too complex for the regular person to bother with? I member.

[Okeefenokee]

Acreage is another way to assess farm size. According to the USDA, small family farms average 231 acres; large family farms average 1,421 acres and the very large farm average acreage is 2,086. It may be surprising to note that small family farms make up 88 percent of the farms in America.
http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/small_medi ... lly_matter

Let's do some quick maths for a small wheat farm.

$4.33 per bushel in 2018

59.2 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres (average size)

Gross sales = $59,213.62

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/wheat.htm

Let's do corn.

$3.50 per bushel in 2018

175.5 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres

Gross sales = $141,891.75

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/corn.htm

Taking bets on whether or not grumps is gonna show any work, or keep squawking with no substance.

Ok, scooter.

230+ acre wheat farm produced under $60k. You're now looking for up to a 1,000 acre farm to produce anywhere near $250,000 per year. And calling that a "small farm".

You did better with the corn, thanks to the absurd subsidies in place, and got a nearly 500-acre farm to produce the $250,000. Still a "small farm".

The amount of infrastructure and capital to run a 500-acre farm is nothing remotely close to a "family business". Thinking otherwise only exposes how far you'll stretch reality to score a point.

Thank god ma n' pa work so hard, I just dunno how they're gonna get those 60 tons of corn to market, on their horse buggy.

You haven't posted a single fucking data point other than your personal fucking ignorance. Those aren't my numbers, those are THE numbers. You can fuck off until you're ready to make an actual argument instead of expecting me to believe you over the actual data.

Fucking clown.

[Smitty-48]

Even the socialists here end up in the pocket of the wealthy, because they are beholden to unions, who all work for the government and multinationals, so they end up servicing capital gains by default, centrally planned government porkbarreling ftw.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Let's do some quick maths for a small wheat farm.

$4.33 per bushel in 2018

59.2 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres (average size)

Gross sales = $59,213.62

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/wheat.htm

Let's do corn.

$3.50 per bushel in 2018

175.5 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres

Gross sales = $141,891.75

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/corn.htm

Taking bets on whether or not grumps is gonna show any work, or keep squawking with no substance.

Ok, scooter.

230+ acre wheat farm produced under $60k. You're now looking for up to a 1,000 acre farm to produce anywhere near $250,000 per year. And calling that a "small farm".

You did better with the corn, thanks to the absurd subsidies in place, and got a nearly 500-acre farm to produce the $250,000. Still a "small farm".

The amount of infrastructure and capital to run a 500-acre farm is nothing remotely close to a "family business". Thinking otherwise only exposes how far you'll stretch reality to score a point.

Thank god ma n' pa work so hard, I just dunno how they're gonna get those 60 tons of corn to market, on their horse buggy.

You haven't posted a single fucking data point other than your personal fucking ignorance. Those aren't my numbers, those are THE numbers. You can fuck off until you're ready to make an actual argument instead of expecting me to believe you over the actual data.

Fucking clown.

The government also classifies any business under 500 employees as a “small business”.

Statistics are hard, I understand.

[SuburbanFarmer]

^^^doesn't understand what gross means.

There's no chance you're talking out your ass again about some shit you saw in a liberal documentary on netflix. No chance at all.

I understand it perfectly. You clearly do not understand how much land/capital is required to generate $250,000 of produce.

$250,000 gross / $3.50 per bushel / 175.5 bushels per acre = 407 acres of corn.

$3669 per acre (average Missouri price) * 407 acres = $1.493 million.

That's the very top edge of the small farm bracket. The average size is 231 acres.

Also, these are generational farms that stay in the family, not first time city slickers heading out to the country with a bag of gold. Martin's inheritance tax would target them.

Remember when grumps posted that middle school algebra he thought was too complex for the regular person to bother with? I member.

$1.5m for the land, another $5m for wages and equipment and infrastructure. It’s surely just a hardworking couple.

[Smitty-48]

For all the lefties talk of being the "labour" parties, reality is, due to the centrally planned nature of their policies, all welfare ends up being corporate welfare in the end, they end up stealing from the working stiff, to centralize the revenues, and then it is all easily captured by entrenched interests, by default.

[Okeefenokee]

Ok, scooter.

230+ acre wheat farm produced under $60k. You're now looking for up to a 1,000 acre farm to produce anywhere near $250,000 per year. And calling that a "small farm".

You did better with the corn, thanks to the absurd subsidies in place, and got a nearly 500-acre farm to produce the $250,000. Still a "small farm".

The amount of infrastructure and capital to run a 500-acre farm is nothing remotely close to a "family business". Thinking otherwise only exposes how far you'll stretch reality to score a point.

Thank god ma n' pa work so hard, I just dunno how they're gonna get those 60 tons of corn to market, on their horse buggy.

You haven't posted a single fucking data point other than your personal fucking ignorance. Those aren't my numbers, those are THE numbers. You can fuck off until you're ready to make an actual argument instead of expecting me to believe you over the actual data.

Fucking clown.

The government also classifies any business under 500 employees as a “small business”.

Statistics are hard, I understand.

Like you've ever been within a country mile of a statistics class.

You haven't presented a single argument, you understand that right? Not fucking one. All you are saying is, nuh uh." That's it.

Why isn't a 500 employee company not a small company? Because when you hear, "small," you feel like it should be something else? You have no idea why the delineations between the groups are where they are, and thus, you have no way to argue that they should be somewhere else.

All you're doing is presenting your feelz, and wondering why no one considers that to be a real argument.

Why isn't a 231 acre farm a small farm? Again, you have no idea why the segments are what they are, but when you hear, "small farm," you feel like it should be something like a half acre garden.

No brakes on the ignorance train. It's know-nothing o'clock all day long.

[Okeefenokee]

I understand it perfectly. You clearly do not understand how much land/capital is required to generate $250,000 of produce.

$250,000 gross / $3.50 per bushel / 175.5 bushels per acre = 407 acres of corn.

$3669 per acre (average Missouri price) * 407 acres = $1.493 million.

That's the very top edge of the small farm bracket. The average size is 231 acres.

Also, these are generational farms that stay in the family, not first time city slickers heading out to the country with a bag of gold. Martin's inheritance tax would target them.

Remember when grumps posted that middle school algebra he thought was too complex for the regular person to bother with? I member.

$1.5m for the land, another $5m for wages and equipment and infrastructure. It’s surely just a hardworking couple.

You're still too stupid to understand that that isn't an argument. Thomas Sowell would have known that.

[heydaralon]

Nobody here was bothering Jedi, he was the one who came on strong and started calling people out, cry me a river. /shrugs

As far as I'm concerned, you provided the initial provocation with "I've done work that would break a man like you." Where'd you see my provocation before that? If I provided one, the only one I could think of would be saying "You'd have a different tune if you were down here with me." Which, is true. People doing the same job tend to have different opinions than people not doing the job. One is sharing a common path with someone when they're working alongside them as compared to when you're not. That's all I meant.

So what's the initial provocation here?

This from me?

Smitty, be honest, you're not on labor's side, most of this board isn't for one reason or another, so talking about improving labor's conditions is like trying to convert Lucifer. You'd have a different opinion if you were here next to me.

Or this from you?

And frankly, I've done plenty of hard jobs, jobs that would break a man like you, make no mistake.

And like I said, if anyone said that to me in real life, they'd better have brought their good work boots, cause we're going to have some fun.

I just had to apologize to my boss who hates me slightly less than I hate him. Here I am, hat in hand, offering an olive branch. That kind of thing sears my wage slave soul. Im adding that to the phonebook sized list of reasons to improve myself and get certified to do better jobs. Use your well justified anger and outrage to lift yourself out of your current station. Fuck Horatio Alger, Im talking about Horatio Anger.

[Smitty-48]

Anger is bad for your cardiovascular health, aggression is good, but anger is just the path to a myocardial infarction.

Aggression relieves stress, anger simply bottles it up with nowhere to go.

Otherwise known and don't get mad get even.