“More Democrats Should Be Calling for the Repeal of the Second Amendment”

[Speaker to Animals]

There is no fucking way that, if you divide society into actual sociopaths and non-sociopaths, you will find the sociopaths have more guns, or are more likely to own guns than anybody else.

Most sociopaths are corporate cronies or single mothers, really, anyway. If you want to see a sociopath, go to family court and watch women cry crocodile tears to get the kids and enslave the fathers. Go to any major corporation and you will see sociopaths stabbing each other in the back without guns.

Sociopaths don't even need guns to be sociopaths. They get off by manipulating other people, especially society in general, to punish their victims.

I do have some experience on the receiving end of a sociopath, and I am telling you they don't really need guns to do what they do. Their game is psychological and manipulative.

If you changed that to psychopaths instead of sociopaths, you could make the argument that psychopaths will get guns no matter what, or use any deadly weapon at all, including a vehicle or a common kitchen knife to kill. But we tend to lock them up pretty quick, and if you wanted to limit psychopaths, then you are probably better off nipping it in the bud and limiting what tends to create them: single mothers.

[Smitty-48]

Second most likely to have guns would probably be gun enthusiasts; so the DrY doctrine does smell like just another Huffpo Himbo rubric to portray gun enthusiasts as de facto "sociopaths", which falls right in line with the propaganda of his political tribe, the Urbane Kneedippers.

Well I was just going with the sociopaths vs nonsociopaths

But if you're going to break the non-sociopaths into lots of little groups, then sure.

I don't doubt you can easily create groups with higher gun ownership.

I would guess lots of wall street and washington sociopaths are unarmed.

Like I said my argument is that regulations to keep guns out of the hands of sociopaths will work in favour of sociopaths and against non-sociopaths...

So I'm not really sure why you want to shoot holes in this argument... NPI

I'm not shooting holes in regulation, you can have regulation of the State Militias in America, so long as that is at the prerogative of the state legislatures. There's nothing in the constitution precluding gun control, state gun control; ok, federal gun control; not ok.

[Smitty-48]

Moreover, even if you assert a federal gun control mandate, I would submit, "mental health background check" would be an egregious Fourth Amendment violation, unreasonable search, a Stamp Act by any other name, so it comes to casus belli by that route as well.

In the face of the un-American anti-American enemies of the republic gun grabbers, argument is rendered a fool's errand, impasse, casus belli, at which point, the Declaration of Independence can be legitimately invoked once again.

The Declaration of Independence flows from the God of the Hebrews himself, upon impasse casus belli, it supersedes all that comes after, as otherwise, there would be no republic in the first place.

If you say no, then you're a Loyalist by default, and if not hung for it, you should at least be driven out, to Upper Canada or wherever, same as it ever was.

The British Crown will take you back, we're not holding a grudge, kneel and kiss the ring; all is forgiven.

[DrYouth]

There is no fucking way that, if you divide society into actual sociopaths and non-sociopaths, you will find the sociopaths have more guns, or are more likely to own guns than anybody else.

Most sociopaths are corporate cronies or single mothers, really, anyway. If you want to see a sociopath, go to family court and watch women cry crocodile tears to get the kids and enslave the fathers. Go to any major corporation and you will see sociopaths stabbing each other in the back without guns.

Sociopaths don't even need guns to be sociopaths. They get off by manipulating other people, especially society in general, to punish their victims.

I do have some experience on the receiving end of a sociopath, and I am telling you they don't really need guns to do what they do. Their game is psychological and manipulative.

If you changed that to psychopaths instead of sociopaths, you could make the argument that psychopaths will get guns no matter what, or use any deadly weapon at all, including a vehicle or a common kitchen knife to kill. But we tend to lock them up pretty quick, and if you wanted to limit psychopaths, then you are probably better off nipping it in the bud and limiting what tends to create them: single mothers.

Hard to know what to say to this post other than... ok, then.

I'm not pro single mother hood... I always recommend parents try to work things out unless it is absolutely impossible...
I think couples give up way to easily... and therapists often don't even try to support relationships.
We are a very individualistic culture and have forgotten the importance of family.

I think it's hard on kids... and hard on mothers... and fathers.

I have no idea how many single mom's are sociopaths... not even going to venture a guess.

But sociopaths make awful parents.

[Speaker to Animals]

Go sit in a family court room. Especially in Canada. Just spend one afternoon in that place and you will start to understand the problem you see every day at one of its sources.

Women who do this shit are sociopaths. They literally lie and manipulate to turn society against their victims for personal gain. They don't have consciences. Destroying your children's family and alienating them from their fathers would crush a normal person's conscience.

[DrYouth]

I'm not shooting holes in regulation, you can have regulation of the State Militias in America, so long as that is at the prerogative of the state legislatures. There's nothing in the constitution precluding gun control, state gun control; ok, federal gun control; not ok.

Well... I have no real investment in state vs federal...
Regulations are regulations once they come into effect it makes no difference whence they came.
From a state's rights point of view it matters, I suppose, but to the individual who wants a weapon for self defence or hunting it's all the same.
To the sociopath, he will find his way around whatever regulations you put into effect, one way or the other... until he is brought down by your firearm or the strong arm of the law.

[Smitty-48]

To the sociopath, he will find his way around whatever regulations you put into effect, one way or the other... until he is brought down by your firearm or the strong arm of the law.

I don't think so, the vast majority of sociopaths are of little threat to the individual, violent sociopaths are actually very rare, and most sociopaths are well deterred by the consequences of indictable offence convictions.

The tiny cohort of violent sociopaths actually serve as the deterrent to the vast majority of non violent sociopaths, by running the range in jail.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Didn't they remove Sociopath from the diagnostic manual?

[Smitty-48]

The principle characteristics of a sociopath is that they lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate, the sub category of violent and recklessly indifferent to the law, is a very rare bird indeed, I mean, obviously, as lying, stealing, cheating, and manipulating, is epidemic, while violent crime is extremely rare.

[DrYouth]

I don't think so, the vast majority of sociopaths are of little threat to the individual, violent sociopaths are actually very rare, and most sociopaths are well deterred by the consequences of indictable offence convictions.

The tiny cohort of violent sociopaths actually serve as the deterrent to the vast majority of non violent sociopaths, by running the range in jail.

I don't disagree with this.

Which is why imagining that regulations will reduce this small number is counterproductive.