Minimum Wage just went up to $11.50 in Washington State. The price of milk is $2.68 a Gallon.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Bullshit.





https://www.agcensus.usda.gov/Publicati ... yFarms.pdf





https://www.agcensus.usda.gov/Publicati ... l_farm.pdf

$250,000 in gross sales.

That's a very small farm indeed. Probably run by the kids on weekends.

^^^doesn't understand what gross means.

There's no chance you're talking out your ass again about some shit you saw in a liberal documentary on netflix. No chance at all.

I understand it perfectly. You clearly do not understand how much land/capital is required to generate $250,000 of produce.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Farming is a mess.

We subsidize agriculture at set price points to garauntee that commodity X is never sold for less than $Y. Then, we BUY all of the excess commodity X (with taxpayer funds) and let it rot in silos to make sure our artificial price floor isn’t affected by supply.

Then ... we hire a bunch of non-citizens working here illegally because, as the oft repeated myth goes, “Americans won’t do those jobs”.

Also - while silos of food rot away to nothing, we issues food stamps to families (again with taxpayer funds) so they can afford food our government has kept at artificially high prices.

Can everyone see the simple solution to this?
It’s fairly obvious.

This is an excellent summary of the current clusterfuck. Except it's no myth that American's won't do it.

[Okeefenokee]

Acreage is another way to assess farm size. According to the USDA, small family farms average 231 acres; large family farms average 1,421 acres and the very large farm average acreage is 2,086. It may be surprising to note that small family farms make up 88 percent of the farms in America.
http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/small_medi ... lly_matter

Let's do some quick maths for a small wheat farm.

$4.33 per bushel in 2018

59.2 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres (average size)

Gross sales = $59,213.62

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/wheat.htm

Let's do corn.

$3.50 per bushel in 2018

175.5 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres

Gross sales = $141,891.75

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/corn.htm

Taking bets on whether or not grumps is gonna show any work, or keep squawking with no substance.

[K@th]

So if the legitimate labor pool will not do job X for amount $Y, what should the solution be?

If your answer is “Exploit an illegitimate labor pool illegally” you’ve failed.

You see, when we do that from the demand side people go to jail. If I want product X but I’m unwilling to pay price $Y, there are severe consequences for me obtaining product X through illegal means.

Absolutely not my position. As these jobs become available, we can hand them out like candy to American citizens who are living on welfare.

We'll have to pay more for our food, but I'm okay with that. Our ag policy sucks, as you laid out.

[Okeefenokee]

I mean, damn, as long as the scam is operating in plain sight why not join the winners circle?

Exactly, mate, never complain, never explain, simply incorporate, and shift as much of your revenue stream to capital gains as you can.

capital grains. you should have gone with capital grains.

[DBTrek]

Will Americans not do the work because it’s too “hard”, or because taking a seasonal job will compromise their existing government benefits only to leave them unemployed a few months down the road?

(Aka $17 an hour for three months sucks worse than being unemployed and subsidized)

[K@th]

You can do harvest work in CA year round.

http://www.pickyourown.org/CAharvestcalendar.htm

[Smitty-48]

I mean, damn, as long as the scam is operating in plain sight why not join the winners circle?

Exactly, mate, never complain, never explain, simply incorporate, and shift as much of your revenue stream to capital gains as you can.

capital grains. you should have gone with capital grains.

Capital grains are capital gains, the tax and subsidy structure is what it is, there's scores of billions of dollars of tax incentives and subsidies floating around here, it's simply a question of diverting as much of that as you can into the revenue stream. Unless you're high rolling in the executive class of a multinational, being an employee is a suckers bet. Which, don't have to tell Americans, being your own boss is what America is all about.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Acreage is another way to assess farm size. According to the USDA, small family farms average 231 acres; large family farms average 1,421 acres and the very large farm average acreage is 2,086. It may be surprising to note that small family farms make up 88 percent of the farms in America.
http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/small_medi ... lly_matter

Let's do some quick maths for a small wheat farm.

$4.33 per bushel in 2018

59.2 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres (average size)

Gross sales = $59,213.62

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/wheat.htm

Let's do corn.

$3.50 per bushel in 2018

175.5 bushels per acre (five year average)

231 acres

Gross sales = $141,891.75

http://crops.missouri.edu/audit/corn.htm

Taking bets on whether or not grumps is gonna show any work, or keep squawking with no substance.

Ok, scooter.

230+ acre wheat farm produced under $60k. You're now looking for up to a 1,000 acre farm to produce anywhere near $250,000 per year. And calling that a "small farm".

You did better with the corn, thanks to the absurd subsidies in place, and got a nearly 500-acre farm to produce the $250,000. Still a "small farm".

The amount of infrastructure and capital to run a 500-acre farm is nothing remotely close to a "family business". Thinking otherwise only exposes how far you'll stretch reality to score a point.

Thank god ma n' pa work so hard, I just dunno how they're gonna get those 60 tons of corn to market, on their horse buggy.

[Smitty-48]

It's like all these fuckwit lefties here elected the Liberals, ostensibly to fight inequality and help the working stiff, but the first thing the Liberals have done, is go around in a helicopter dropping capital gains on the upper middle class and wealthy.

They made some noise about cutting off some small business tax credits, flew a trial balloon, and were immediately faced with a revolt, their polling tanked overnight, and so they immediately backed off of that, corporate welfare ftw.

Justin Trudeau is wealthy, Justin Trudeau's base is wealthy, why these lefties thought Justin Trudeau was a Bernie Bro, is beyond me.

He's basically the Canadian equivalent of Ivanka Trump, it's no coincidence that Justsophie is thick as thieves with Jarvanka.