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[Okeefenokee]

There are probably 3 countries in teh world that we don't have a neighboring airbase to. Not worth $100 billion for floating airstrips.

I find that assertion highly dubious.
Regardless, it's the difference between autonomy and dependence. You want your military dependent on the goodwill and cooperation of other nations, or would you like autonomy? We have both. You see no need for autonomy.

So you see a need for our globe-spanning military to be present at any point on earth, and feel it's important that we're able to do this without consulting anyone else? We have some kind of inherent need to rule the planet now?

Not what I want to pay taxes for.

Then you can move to Uganda and enjoy the good life of not being the preeminent global super power.

[Okeefenokee]

Well, when you live a lifetime in a nation like Poland where other powers are stomping through your yard, killing your people, wrecking your infrastructure, changing your government system, etc, etc . . . then you might see the values of an autonomous military that can project power beyond the reach of your own borders.

But . .. as you've grown up an entitled man in a heavily protected society, and have never been subjected to the dangers of a foreign army, it's understandable that you take your safety for granted.

+1

[SuburbanFarmer]

I find that assertion highly dubious.
Regardless, it's the difference between autonomy and dependence. You want your military dependent on the goodwill and cooperation of other nations, or would you like autonomy? We have both. You see no need for autonomy.

So you see a need for our globe-spanning military to be present at any point on earth, and feel it's important that we're able to do this without consulting anyone else? We have some kind of inherent need to rule the planet now?

Not what I want to pay taxes for.

Then you can move to Uganda and enjoy the good life of not being the preeminent global super power.

I wonder if there exists some sort of middle ground between life under an African warlord, and a global one.

[Okeefenokee]

So you see a need for our globe-spanning military to be present at any point on earth, and feel it's important that we're able to do this without consulting anyone else? We have some kind of inherent need to rule the planet now?

Not what I want to pay taxes for.

Then you can move to Uganda and enjoy the good life of not being the preeminent global super power.

I wonder if there exists some sort of middle ground between life under an African warlord, and a global one.

There isn't. You are either under the US umbrella, or you are not. There is no fence sitting on that issue. If you think, "hey, there are plenty of European nations that are pretty swanky," you should remember that everyone one of them would be speaking Russian and saluting Stalin morning noon and night if it were not for the US. They too are under the umbrella.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Then you can move to Uganda and enjoy the good life of not being the preeminent global super power.

I wonder if there exists some sort of middle ground between life under an African warlord, and a global one.

There isn't. You are either under the US umbrella, or you are not. There is no fence sitting on that issue. If you think, "hey, there are plenty of European nations that are pretty swanky," you should remember that everyone one of them would be speaking Russian and saluting Stalin morning noon and night if it were not for the US. They too are under the umbrella.

That umbrella is nuclear, and does not involve a globe-spanning, multi-war-fighting military. It also certainly does not require a navy, so far as I can see.

In a way, this was inevitable. It's just sad.

A near-invincible country beholden to military interests, with no other superpower to counter it. Of course we're going to try and take over the world. I'm just sick of being told it has anything to do with "defense".

[StCapps]

That umbrella is nuclear, and does not involve a globe-spanning, multi-war-fighting military. It also certainly does not require a navy, so far as I can see.

In a way, this was inevitable. It's just sad.

A near-invincible country beholden to military interests, with no other superpower to counter it. Of course we're going to try and take over the world. I'm just sick of being told it has anything to do with "defense".

You know the US navy is an integral part of that nuclear umbrella right dipshit? You may not understand why that is, but that doesn't make the US navy obsolete, it makes your knowledge of the navy obsolete. The navy isn't obsolete anymore than the army or air force is obsolete, you couldn't be talking more out of your ass if you tried.

[TheReal_ND]

[The Conservative]

As I've argued before, why the hell do we even need a Navy, aside from boomer subs?

yeah, you've argued that, and had your ass handed to you. looks like you're ready for another.

My ass is still firmly in place, having received no coherent reason that we need a goddamn Navy, other than the boomers - which I reluctantly conceded.

Yeah, right.. ok, please explain to me if we didn't have a navy how we would have won WWII?

[SuburbanFarmer]

yeah, you've argued that, and had your ass handed to you. looks like you're ready for another.

My ass is still firmly in place, having received no coherent reason that we need a goddamn Navy, other than the boomers - which I reluctantly conceded.

Yeah, right.. ok, please explain to me if we didn't have a navy how we would have won WWII?

We aren't in WWII anymore. Haven't been for oh... 70 years, by my count. And WWIII will be fought with nukes and airstrikes, not battleships. That shit was obsolete in WWI. Aircraft Carriers are fantastic, if you don't have 800+ military bases sprinkled around. Now, they're an incredible liability for no gain, other than Admiralty masturbatory sessions.

[StCapps]

My ass is still firmly in place, having received no coherent reason that we need a goddamn Navy, other than the boomers - which I reluctantly conceded.

Yeah, right.. ok, please explain to me if we didn't have a navy how we would have won WWII?

We aren't in WWII anymore. Haven't been for oh... 70 years, by my count. And WWIII will be fought with nukes and airstrikes, not battleships. That shit was obsolete in WWI. Aircraft Carriers are fantastic, if you don't have 800+ military bases sprinkled around. Now, they're an incredible liability for no gain, other than Admiralty masturbatory sessions.

The navy is no more obsolete than the hundreds of military bases you have around the world. The navy is a lot more mobile though. Just because you can't see a need for a navy, doesn't mean there isn't a need for a navy, it means your knowledge and imagination are quite limited. Quite frankly you just don't have a clue on what is and isn't effective in a military context, so you come up with whacky theories like navies being useless.