Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

[Okeefenokee]

I know you guys don't know the minds of liberals these days, so thought I'd give you some insight into who we're hoping for, hopefully this time she'll run.

they're playing it pretty close to the chest, guys.

fucking hell, that is the laugh of the week.

Man, what happened to you? You used to be a pretty cool guy, now you're not even capitalizing your sentences, nor are you putting forth real arguments, while also trying your best to hurt other forum members. Where's the old Okee? You've been around ND for too long.

i know i'm not capitalizing. maybe i'm conserving energy. i'll get back to being proper when i get around to it.

the notion of alternatives to the nuclear family? no. full stop. been there. got the scars. fucking no.

life is all luck? (this is for you, marty) no. scratch offs are luck, and luck doesn't even exist. input does not predicate output, but output does require input on any normal plane.

children should be taught that they are born with a ceiling on their potential? (looking at you, BLM) no. statistically untrue at every level. at the anecdotal level, i grew up without hot water, my wife grew up on a mud floor, yet only a handful of posters here have a greater net worth.

beyond that it gets into complete idiocy.

bernie sanders would make a good president.

democrats care about your rights.

eating tacos is cultural appropriation.

liberal arts degrees are a good investment.

UBI is the only way to avoid civilization collapse.

All of it. all of it gets stacked up against experience. most of it fails. intolerance rises. coefficient of kinetic friction goes through the fucking roof. rate of references to dying in a fucking fire amplify exponentially. willingness to entertain life destroying paths results in a directly proportion willingness to buy a rope factory.

it's nurture, motherfucker. you're the cause, i'm the effect.

[Okeefenokee]

Wouldn't make me sad, FDR was a Commie sympathizer who fell under the spell of Joe Stalin, and the New Deal was actually a bust, he was saved by Winston Churchill and World War Two, but you can't pull that out of your ass anymore, what with hydrogen bombs n' all.

He did after all, get 400,000 Americans killed, in a war that they didn't even want to fight, and arguably didn't even have to, so FDR was great for Great Britain, but was he really all that great for America? Meh.

Eh?

Pearl Harbor?

Direct result of FDR joining the British in embargoing the Japanese over their invasion of China, America struck first, Japan was simply forced to respond, when America threatened their lifeline from the oil fields, when FDR sided with British, all of the British Empire's enemies became America's by default, but America did not actually have to go that way, and in fact, it was rather un-American, to try to prop up the British Empire after all, Imperial Japan, Imperial Britain, not much difference in the end, the Japanese were not bringing democracy to the British Empire, that's true, but neither were the British, and neither were the Soviets.

student's, that's what we call realpolitik.

[Smitty-48]

It's not actually realpolitik, technically, for an American republican, not becoming entangled in a global war for the British Empire in an alliance with the Soviet Union just to prevent Germany and Japan from having similar empires of their own, is called idealism.

Even us American Loyalists, we learned our lesson, 100,000 killed for the Anglo-American Empire, we're never doing that again.

[Okeefenokee]

It's not actually realpolitik, technically, for an American republican, not becoming entangled in a global war for the British Empire in an alliance with the Soviet Union just to prevent Germany and Japan from having similar empires of their own, is called idealism.

Even us American Loyalists, we learned our lesson, 100,000 killed for the British Empire, we're never doing that again.

i meant FDR, sort of. didn't have to get involved. doing so had benefits, and costs. costs could be blamed on the nazis.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think it was realpolitik for FDR neither, he was an idealist, but he wasn't an American republican, he was an American imperialist, and Communist sympathizer, a witches brew to be sure, but idealistic none the less, just FDR's ideals, not mine.

America, the Soviets, and their United Nations to rule the world, peace in our time, post scarcity utopia, power to the proletariate, in an empire of centrally planned authoritarianism; no thanks, I may not be a republican, but I'm not down for that sort of dingbatshit neither, the road to hell being paved...

[ssu]

Mueller investigation; much ado about nothing, that's basically just an out, Mueller's not coming back with High Crimes & Misdemeanors, he's just there to give Congress political cover to climb down.

Meuller gives the all clear, carry on; done and done, GOP did their due dilligence, nothing to charge anybody with, moving on...

... anybody tries to bring it up in the future, they can just hold Mueller up as a shield, that's why they picked him, running against Mueller's reputation is a losers bet, Mueller is there to give the all clear, neutralizing this line of attack from the Democrats once and for all.

We will see later what comes out of it.

Anyway, many Trump haters have vouched for Mueller, noted how experienced his staff is and been very upbeat about him. So then it would be at least for them difficult to change the rhetoric. I've seen only a few articles that have been doubtfull about Mueller.

The only true risk is that Trump will fuck up himself so badly as only he can (and as his family can, as we have seen). Because the Russian side is a tough nut to crack and they don't sloppily discuss these things on emails and be so blissfully ignorant about security (as like uh, the DNC has been).

Yet I think that Mueller doesn't care a shit about the Republican/Democrat fight here, but likely is more focused on shielding the reputation of the FBI and the Intel Community. Even for Mueller to think about what would be politically expedient will get him neck deep into a pile of shit as happened with Comey. One's you go there, you are toast. Mueller's there representing the establishment which doesn't care so much if the dems or the GOPsters are in power.

[clubgop]

I know you guys don't know the minds of liberals these days, so thought I'd give you some insight into who we're hoping for, hopefully this time she'll run.

It's not about what liberals think, it's about what districts are in play, the districts that Liz Warren could win, the liberals already have, increasing the liberal vote in Blue districts, does absolutely nothing for the Democrats when it comes to actually winning the elections.

We'll see. I'd volunteer to help out her campaign, and I've never volunteered to help out anyone's campaign. I hate democrats nearly as much as I hate republicans. She's awesome though.

Will she definitely win? I dunno, but I'd vote for her. I'm a bit more insulated from Republicanism than most people though, being that I live in Washington State, so if she loses, this country just continues to go down the same shitty path. Locally, we're doing good.

Another bubble bitch. Trust us we are not missing you, we can observe you in your habitats. Your dilapidated, collapsing, mass exodus, habitats. Even worse many of you leaving after sucking the life out your own environs go to other places and vote to bring that destruction that you left. As for the election of Pocahontas! Haha bring it! What is that SJW gonna do to flip Red counties?

[clubgop]

The United States was already the preeminent economic world power, having eclipsed the British and French in World War One, there was no reason to get 400,000 Americans killed for the British Empire, for America to have ended up where it ended up, last man standing in the wreckage of a world war, lender of last resort, that was going to happen in any case.

In the wreckage of a world war where Germany is in control of Europe, Japan in control of the pacific, The British, French, Russian, and Chinese thrown down? Hitler in control? Fuck man, would rather not live in that world.

So you have a Cold War with the Nazis and Japanese, instead of a Cold War with the Soviets and Chinese? Meh, seems about the same, except the Germans and Japanese were far more likely to have tried to get along with America than the Communists did, so perhaps no Cold War at all after all.

Wouldn't need a cold war, at least with Hitler, he was already flaming out like Napoleon, the blitz was being ground to a halt. Someone within the Nazi regime was trying to kill his ass once a month, someone would have been successful.

[TheReal_ND]

I know you guys don't know the minds of liberals these days, so thought I'd give you some insight into who we're hoping for, hopefully this time she'll run.

they're playing it pretty close to the chest, guys.

fucking hell, that is the laugh of the week.

Man, what happened to you? You used to be a pretty cool guy, now you're not even capitalizing your sentences, nor are you putting forth real arguments, while also trying your best to hurt other forum members. Where's the old Okee? You've been around ND for too long.

Eh what's this then? Have I turned another person into a Nazi then? Back to reddit with your personal responsibility absolving ways.

[PartyOf5]

The losing strategy was Hillary Clinton, a scumbag. Sanders would have had a much better chance, especially if his VP was Warren.

And going hard towards your base doesn't work? Look at what Trump did, said some of the most insane, hard right shit, and still won. This country wants to go full retard.

Through the entire campaign Trump was labeled as anything bu hard right. Of the 17 candidates who started out, he was the closest to being a Democrat. He won the GOP primary because he spoke directly about a number of issues important to voters and came across as someone who would actually shake things up in Washington politics. He won the general because Hillary was so horrifically unlikable.

Liz Warren will be older in 2020 than HRC was when she ran. She will be less unlikable, but not loved by anyone outside of her hardcore base. Moot point because she won't get the nomination. The Dem party will turn 2020 into a reality show by running a celebrity against Trump.