Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[TheReal_ND]

Is Trump in control of the White House? .

Doesn't appear so.

And the Sweden thing? Well, Trump has explained himself: he was watching Fox News. So he just got confused. Or it's more like a figurative speech thing, like that he had the biggest landslide victory since Reagan, or whatever.

But referencing an event which was 5 years before the current refugee influx and making out that it was a result of current immigration policies......that just looks like....... FAKE NEWS.

Meh... close enough. We are kind of used to Trump mistaking things like Palestinians dancing on the street after 9/11 (it was Orthodox Jews.) The general point remains the same and rather than countering the gist of it, you have people blatantly lying saying nothing is going on.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's a good question. How bad does it have to get before men like Monty decide to defend their own women?

[TheReal_ND]

Monte.

[Speaker to Animals]

He doesn't extend any respect to me, such as using my forum name, why should I do so for him?

Anywho.. it's a really good video, and the question is pertinent.

[TheReal_ND]

I think feminism only works in a homogeneous, European derivative society. Blinkered as it were, from a hostile coulture to its own.

[Montegriffo]

Is Trump in control of the White House? .

Doesn't appear so.

And the Sweden thing? Well, Trump has explained himself: he was watching Fox News. So he just got confused. Or it's more like a figurative speech thing, like that he had the biggest landslide victory since Reagan, or whatever.

But referencing an event which was 5 years before the current refugee influx and making out that it was a result of current immigration policies......that just looks like....... FAKE NEWS.

Meh... close enough. We are kind of used to Trump mistaking things like Palestinians dancing on the street after 9/11 (it was Orthodox Jews.) The general point remains the same and rather than countering the gist of it, you have people blatantly lying saying nothing is going on.

Ok, I've been searching articles on the riots in Malmo. There does seem to be a problem with criminal gangs fighting amongst each other for control of drugs and other criminal activities. I've not found any links to terrorism yet.
I suspect the violence is similar to levels of inner city crime in the US although the number of deaths are much lower.
Very high levels of unemployment,poverty and racial tensions between various groups of immigrants plus clampdowns on crime by the police have all been suggested as reasons for the rioting.
A lack of access to jobs and opportunities and the concentration of immigrants in "ghettos" plus rising numbers of racial attacks have been put forward by some...

Adrian Groglopo, professor of social science at the University of Gothenburg said that the conflicts are fueled by racial and economic tensions.

“People growing up in different areas segregated racially and economically are trying to keep their own business, protect their own areas and sometimes create a very violent climate,” Groglopo believes that the young population is being hit the hardest by the “racism and segregation in Sweden.”

“We have living conditions which are not good for the youth, that’s one of the problems,” he explains.

He also pointed to the problem of unemployment in Sweden which is “about 8-9 percent and for young people it’s about 25 percent.” He stressed that one of the main problems is ethnic discrimination in the labor market as most of the unemployed are “not Swedes.”

“In the last 15 years the gap between the rich and the poor has grown enormously and of course it has racial connotations – you find very rich people that are white people and the poor people are non-white people,” he added.

He urged the Swedish government to implement political measures for non-discrimination. There have been controversial incidents involving security forces and refugees, among which was the February case at the Malmo train station. The incident involved a refugee child reciting an Islamic prayer and a law enforcement officer who pushed the child onto the ground, sat on him holding his hands over his mouth. A further child watching the altercation was detained by the other guard.Though the actions of the guards caused a nationwide stir, in April the prosecutors said that they will not be charged.

“Sweden is going through political period very complex and bad,” Groglopo said. “We [are witnessing] a raise of fascism and Nazism in Sweden…they are getting political power.”

Two major polls (by YouGov for Sweden's Metro newspaper and Novus) conducted in June showed that the far-right anti-immigration party ‘Sweden Democrats’ has the support of about 20 percent of Swedish voters.

[TheReal_ND]

Tldr version please

[Montegriffo]

Tldr version please

Oh come on, it's not that long. If I can spend half an hour reading different articles, you can spend 3 mins reading my post surely....

[Otern]

Ok, I've been searching articles on the riots in Malmo. There does seem to be a problem with criminal gangs fighting amongst each other for control of drugs and other criminal activities. I've not found any links to terrorism yet.
I suspect the violence is similar to levels of inner city crime in the US although the number of deaths are much lower.
Very high levels of unemployment,poverty and racial tensions between various groups of immigrants plus clampdowns on crime by the police have all been suggested as reasons for the rioting.
A lack of access to jobs and opportunities and the concentration of immigrants in "ghettos" plus rising numbers of racial attacks have been put forward by some...

There's not really many racial attacks over there. If there were, it would be nonstop in the news here. Sweden DOES have way more far right activists, and nazis prone to violence than we do though. But the reasons are probably the same as the reasons why they have more radical islamists and immigrant violence too. Economic, and cultural weakness makes these group pop up a lot easier there than here.

For native Swedes with Swedish as a mother tongue, they've had the chance to go to Norway for low skilled, and high paying, service jobs, which made a lot of the native Swedes not see the problem of too much immigration. While the immigrants, not so fluent in Swedish, never really had the chance to go to Norway for jobs in a poor economy. The language transition is simple for a native Swede, but not for an immigrant. This way, native Swedes which would otherwise be pushed by the reality of the situation, could for a long time ignore these problems, since they always had a way out of a shit situation.

Then the oil prices fell. The Norwegian job market got a lot harder, which also pushed out the last bastion for the native Swedes. Lots of them had to go back, and were then forced to face the reality of the situation among low skilled laborers in Sweden. Now, there's even less opportunities for the Swedes. And even less so for the immigrants in Sweden.

And then there's the whole urbanization deal. After the war, Sweden, in contrast to Norway had no effort to control the rate of urbanization. It was all about making the cities and the industry great. Rural areas were depopulated, and agriculture industrialized. This effect increased after joining the EU. Leading to a massive influx of people to the Swedish cities and suburbs. Rising house prices in central areas made the suburbs the only viable areas for the lower classes and the immigrants. These areas turned into ghettos.

The youth unemployment rate in Sweden is disastrous. And it's even worse for the immigrants there. This is the root of it all. No jobs, lots of spare time, lots of people with different cultures and values concentrated in a small area. But the inner cities are still great, and that's where the voters are.

[ssu]

Ok, I've been searching articles on the riots in Malmo. There does seem to be a problem with criminal gangs fighting amongst each other for control of drugs and other criminal activities. I've not found any links to terrorism yet.
I suspect the violence is similar to levels of inner city crime in the US although the number of deaths are much lower.
Very high levels of unemployment,poverty and racial tensions between various groups of immigrants plus clampdowns on crime by the police have all been suggested as reasons for the rioting.
A lack of access to jobs and opportunities and the concentration of immigrants in "ghettos" plus rising numbers of racial attacks have been put forward by some...

Links to terrorism you won't find. As it's leftist welfare state, the "ghettos" truly aren't similar to the slums in the US.

But the riots in the streets, Sweden has them. Small ones sometimes. Burning cars and so on. Sometimes. There is tension, but still, there is A LOT of social cohesion in Sweden, so no, it's not going to collapse or something.

Anyway, what the real thing wrong in Sweden is that EVEN if their government HAS CHANGED the it's immigration policies and stopped the open-doors policy (which created an immigration crisis TO US immediately), the public discourse goes on as this wouldn't have happened. It is "as if" nothing has changed.

The reason is simply that the public discourse is dominated By the "If-you-are-in-any-way-against-immigration-you-are-a-racist-xenophobe" argument. And a lot of Swedes think so. Think of Swedes as being pinko-liberal über-democrats, even the conservative ones. And people haven't gone over that. And now when Trump made this little gaffe about Sweden, the leftists are going victory rounds over the issue.

Anyway, as Trump brought up Sweden, I assume that in the more general social media discourse there will be a similar interest on Sweden as there was here (or in the old DCF earlier).