Watched Dean Martin Roast Bob Hope Last Night...

[C-Mag]

Men marry the women they want to be with for the rest of their life.
Women marry the man they want to change into the guy they want to live with.

Logic would dictate this would be untenable, since everyone changes and you can’t force anyone to change the way you want them to. We’d all be doomed if it weren’t for love. Kinda makes the whole struggle worthwhile.

If you’re watching old timey shows, watch the last posies of All In The Family. It’s the most heartbreaking tv I’ve ever seen.

The above is an old joke, it works because it is so true. Guys find what they like and want to stick with it. Gals always see shit greener on the other other side of the fence.

Just our natures. If a couple can moderate both things they can end up with a really strong team, if not, it ends in ugliness.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's incomplete. If the man allows the woman to change him into somebody else, she will lose all respect for him and blow up the marriage. Women are almost never happy when they control the relationship. They are loathed to admit, but it's true enough.

[MilSpecs]

It's incomplete. If the man allows the woman to change him into somebody else, she will lose all respect for him and blow up the marriage. Women are almost never happy when they control the relationship. They are loathed to admit, but it's true enough.

One of the keys to a strong marriage is to let the other person step in and take over when necessary. Gender doesn’t matter. Trust and humility matters.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's incomplete. If the man allows the woman to change him into somebody else, she will lose all respect for him and blow up the marriage. Women are almost never happy when they control the relationship. They are loathed to admit, but it's true enough.

One of the keys to a strong marriage is to let the other person step in and take over when necessary. Gender doesn’t matter. Trust and humility matters.

I wish that were true, but female nature doesn't support it. Divorce court is filled with men who let their wives take too much control. I do not think women are naturally even able to see this truth about themselves without a great deal of self-reflection, which is more difficult for them. Women evolved to constantly look outward towards social relationships instead of inwards. Their power is in influencing men to do things for them, whereas men's power is in self-reflection in order to identify weakness and become stronger so that they can act upon the world more effectively.

I am not saying women can never run things well, but it's a learned behavior for them that our culture does not actually encourage. It's similar to how reading people is a learned behavior for men, but natural for women. There are always outliers. But in general, and especially in our culture, women lack the self-reflection necessary to understand their drives and motivations.

[Speaker to Animals]

Look at what women are doing in Europe. If there were no female voters, there would be no mass migration crisis. The vast majority of immigrants these nations are allowing in are young males. Women instinctively want to maximize their access to males and the resources that male's might offer. They don't intellectually understand these drives, obviously, because if they did they would quickly reject these migrants as a threat and not suitable resource providers. Furthermore, if the demographics of the migrants were reversed, and they were millions of young females, you better fucking believe European women would find some reason to victimize themselves and manipulate men into supporting sending the women back.

I don't particularly believe women possess much self-reflection at all. I realize that can be insulting, but it's the plain truth.

It's not even common for men to explore it that much, but it's extremely rare for women to actually analyze their own motivations and see how they are the authors of much of their own problems.

This is one of the core lessons of most faith and mythological traditions in all of history. When you let women run the relationship, bad shit ensues.

[MilSpecs]

You have a mind that seeks to make sense of the world by logical categorization, but it leads you to try to put things in buckets that aren’t that neat. You have had bad experiences with women. Maybe those women had similarities, but remember that you are the commonality between them. As long as you see women this way, you will attract that type of woman.

[Kath]

Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the very few on this forum with a healthy marriage. Both Nerd and I feel like we got the better end of this deal. 'Aint nobody trying to change anyone. We're just two people who get along seriously well, enjoy each others' company more than anyone else, and don't fight about anything, really.

Just genuine respect and love ...

Some of you make marriage sound like drudgery, where you are constantly fighting against the others' sinister motives.

[Speaker to Animals]

You have a mind that seeks to make sense of the world by logical categorization, but it leads you to try to put things in buckets that aren’t that neat. You have had bad experiences with women. Maybe those women had similarities, but remember that you are the commonality between them. As long as you see women this way, you will attract that type of woman.

Huh?

I only had trouble with one of them and, sister, I was exactly what you say you want. I gave her too much control. I tried to make everything equal. Big mistake.

My lesson learned was that women don't really understand what they want. What they say they want is not what they think they want, and what they think they want is not really what they actually want. Women are so concerned with how people might think of them, they can't even be honest with themselves, much less their husbands. It works out better when the husband takes control of the relationship and figures out the truth of his wife and provides for her in such a way that she actually needs rather than what she says she needs -- because those two things are different and often in conflict.

[Speaker to Animals]

Indeed, the more control over relationships and even society we have given to women, the less happy women have become. Women's happiness in America has been on a steady decline since the 1960s..

Consider that, while intellectually we can all agree there is a principle of fairness and equity that speaks to the virtue of equality and freedom for both sexes, there also is something about women's inability to make good choices for themselves that results in those freedoms bringing them destruction and unhappiness.

Go to any dating site for women over thirty and you will see the consequences of their choices. Blown up marriages. Single mothers. Unhappy as fuck. Working careers that make them unhappy.


What if women all *want* careers and power, but they would have been *happier* living a traditional life? Does nobody consider that?

[MilSpecs]

Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the very few on this forum with a healthy marriage. Both Nerd and I feel like we got the better end of this deal. 'Aint nobody trying to change anyone. We're just two people who get along seriously well, enjoy each others' company more than anyone else, and don't fight about anything, really.

Just genuine respect and love ...

Some of you make marriage sound like drudgery, where you are constantly fighting against the others' sinister motives.

+1 (except for the never fighting part - we have been known to raise our voices)