Japan: 19,628 Asylum Applications in 2017 – Only 20 Approved

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Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:31 pm

Wouldn't the Ancient Persian and Roman Empires be considered multi-ethnic ?
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:37 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:Wouldn't the Ancient Persian and Roman Empires be considered multi-ethnic ?

How did that work out?

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Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:48 pm

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GloryofGreece wrote:Wouldn't the Ancient Persian and Roman Empires be considered multi-ethnic ?

How did that work out?
Well I say, when compared to what else? They were both great Empires. Romes run was long. And the multi ethnicity of it, while one of the causes, arguably was one of just many causes for its decline.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:55 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:Wouldn't the Ancient Persian and Roman Empires be considered multi-ethnic ?

How did that work out?
Well I say, when compared to what else? They were both great Empires. Romes run was long. And the multi ethnicity of it, while one of the causes, arguably was one of just many causes for its decline.

And.. in Rome's case, opening the borders to the barbarians literally ended them.

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Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:07 pm

I know the history. And I know what you mean. But wouldn't it also be a case of the citizenry itself "declining". Losing their way/decadence etc. And an overreach of their territorial expansion, and not having a real robust yeoman farmer/ working class citizenry ? It would seem like VDH has pointed out, that Western Rome should have had the ability to maintain the core of its empire (it had the military strength i.e. number legions) but not the will to defend itself like it did in 100 B.C. vs. 400 AD. To me it points more to a derogation of the Italian/Latin population as a whole than the fact that it had different races living within its borders. They didn't want to fight their own battles as much per se and were using foreigners Gauls & Germans to do a lot of the heavy lifting for them. The whole silk slippers thing. The core of the Roman people became softer and the elite/wealthy gobbled up all the land and turned it into huge latifunda estates etc.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:29 pm

Are we not declining now? I am not saying the process is simple; only to open your eyes and realize it is happening again.

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Post by Viktorthepirate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:00 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:Wouldn't the Ancient Persian and Roman Empires be considered multi-ethnic ?

How did that work out?
Pretty good. Half a millennia of world domination. Even longer as a strong empire if you count Byzantium.

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Post by Viktorthepirate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:01 pm

Martin Hash wrote:I call bullshit.
And their social welfare programs stay intact when the pyramid reverses I suppose?

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:05 pm

Viktorthepirate wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
GloryofGreece wrote:Wouldn't the Ancient Persian and Roman Empires be considered multi-ethnic ?

How did that work out?
Pretty good. Half a millennia of world domination. Even longer as a strong empire if you count Byzantium.

Wrong.

Collapse of western empire happened immediately after mass migration of German tribes.

The Byzantine Empire was all Greek people. They weren't going to willingly make the same mistake.

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Post by Viktorthepirate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:08 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Viktorthepirate wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:

How did that work out?
Pretty good. Half a millennia of world domination. Even longer as a strong empire if you count Byzantium.

Wrong.

Collapse of western empire happened immediately after mass migration of German tribes.

The Byzantine Empire was all Greek people. They weren't going to willingly make the same mistake.
They were multi ethnic a long time before that happened.

And yea, they were Greek, but claimed Roman as their name.

Rome had long moved past ethnic Italian being the only definition of Roman, by their own laws.