USDA America’s Harvest Box - Blue Apron for the Poor

[K@th]

then turn it into a Fucking Excuse why Sally can't exert herself in Gym Class.

No, this has nothing to do with gym. This has to do with the government's ability to be able to track these things. Government can't tie its' shoes, Carlus, but you think they'd be great at Blue Apron. Who are you? Did you just fall in love with big government because Trump?

[PartyOf5]

The feds want to give shelf stable food staples but because its Trump proposing it you have a problem with it.

DING! DING! Same shit you'll see all over the media. "TRUMP IS TRYING TO STARVE POOR MINORITIES BECAUSE HE HATES THEM!".

The media is completely useless. Pretty much every major media outlet has turned into the Onion.

[Speaker to Animals]

I know of some golf course owners that would be jizzing their pants to get Keloed by the federal government right about now. Tough business nowadays.

Tax dollars at work.

:goteam: :drunk:

But that's the point. Most golf courses are going under. The one down the street from me is not even used anymore. There would be a large upfront cost to buy all these places, but after that, I think it would pay off by building stronger communities and helping people to feed themselves instead of relying on subsidies.

You could set a farm up as some kind of trust, no? How hard would this be, really?

Who are you seeing as the purchaser? Or the trustee? I may be missing your take here.

Set up an independent trust fund to manage the farm as an NGO.

[DBTrek]

You may have me DB, should the EBT cards be limited to certain foods like they do with WIC to reduce fraud ?

I don’t know. Maybe. Morally, I’m a firm believer in the beggars-can’t-be-choosers philosophy. But ... if limiting choice is going to cost more in taxes then let the beggars choose. If it’s not going to cost any more, then the people paying the tab should probably decide what’s on the menu.

For example, if we say no candy bars or ice cream with SNAP it will, in some small way, effect the larger economy. But will that effect be offset by the number of people who decide to get off SNAP because they’re tired of not eating sweets? Will the inefficiencies be recovered by those on SNAP eating healthier and therefore being less of a drain when they show up for subsidized medical care?

No idea. A lot of variables. As the body providing the funding for SNAP we’re certainly within our right to discuss limitations. The key is to avoid imposing limitations that wind up costing us more money for negligible or nonexistent benefits.

So .... try it, I guess. Then honestly audit the attempt and see what actually happened.
Or just don’t fuck with the price point driven market at all.

Either would work.

[SuburbanFarmer]

But that's the point. Most golf courses are going under. The one down the street from me is not even used anymore. There would be a large upfront cost to buy all these places, but after that, I think it would pay off by building stronger communities and helping people to feed themselves instead of relying on subsidies.

You could set a farm up as some kind of trust, no? How hard would this be, really?

Who are you seeing as the purchaser? Or the trustee? I may be missing your take here.

Set up an independent trust fund to manage the farm as an NGO.

Then... you would just set this up yourself with the local government. No need for feds.

[C-Mag]

then turn it into a Fucking Excuse why Sally can't exert herself in Gym Class.

No, this has nothing to do with gym. This has to do with the government's ability to be able to track these things. Government can't tie its' shoes, Carlus, but you think they'd be great at Blue Apron. Who are you? Did you just fall in love with big government because Trump?

Fucking go back and read. DBtrek convinced me this wasn't the best course. Further, I started this uncertain about this and asked for others to tell me why it's bad................ that's exactly what I got. Thanks Team ! Not Joking.

If you do happen to read this my concern is mostly about SNAP Fraud and this bluebox thing as a way to curtail this.

I understand you got your panties in a wad because of the allergy thing. You shouldn't be surprised. This type of shit has been a family feud with us for around a decade. I see people being pussies and complaining, you see them as having valid excuses. And that's OK

[Speaker to Animals]

Who are you seeing as the purchaser? Or the trustee? I may be missing your take here.

Set up an independent trust fund to manage the farm as an NGO.

Then... you would just set this up yourself with the local government. No need for feds.

I said from the start I wouldn't deal with this at the federal level.

I would rather just use local government to help set them up, but not run them. They can run independently as a trust with help from community businesses and colleges.

We even have a working college where I live where students pay part of their tuition by working on the huge campus farm.

[PartyOf5]

Right, it's not likely we are going to stop giving away resources to feed people. Question is should all the resources be in highly street tradeable EBT cards or physical goods with the needed nutritional value and less street value.

So now the government will have to set up a database with every food they are going to have, and note any allergies in the household. Then someone needs to sort through that data to figure out which households can't get peanut butter, which can't get any gluten... and several other allergies.

Now mom with gluten allergy and kid with peanut allergy get a box with the wrong stuff. Now they have to go to their local government food distribution center with the unusable food in hopes to exchange it for food they can eat.

What a nightmare. But, the feds will be running it so all will go well.

Who says the feds have to run it? Lots of government services are outsourced to private corporations. I don't like government being into a lot of things, but it's already in it with the Food Stamps. I'm willing to listen if they are trying to attain the goal (feeding the poor) more efficiently. Food stamp fraud and abuse is a huge problem.

Instead of waiting to hear more details, the Trump haters are all "BUT TRUMP IS GOING TO KILL CHILDREN WITH ALLERGIES, DERP DERP DERP".

[Fife]

But that's the point. Most golf courses are going under. The one down the street from me is not even used anymore. There would be a large upfront cost to buy all these places, but after that, I think it would pay off by building stronger communities and helping people to feed themselves instead of relying on subsidies.

You could set a farm up as some kind of trust, no? How hard would this be, really?

Who are you seeing as the purchaser? Or the trustee? I may be missing your take here.

Set up an independent trust fund to manage the farm as an NGO.

You know what the "N" in NGO stands for, right?

If the condemnations originate at City Hall or the general assembly, the property taken is never going to be anything other than a fancied up penal farm.

Now, if the state wants to surrender some (all) of the "public" land it "owns," . . . well, I can see all sorts of NGOs getting their shit together to acquire said real estate and put it to amazing use for food production and all other kinds of awesome stuff.

[Speaker to Animals]

Who are you seeing as the purchaser? Or the trustee? I may be missing your take here.

Set up an independent trust fund to manage the farm as an NGO.

You know what the "N" in NGO stands for, right?

If the condemnations originate at City Hall or the general assembly, the property taken is never going to be anything other than a fancied up penal farm.

Now, if the state wants to surrender some (all) of the "public" land it "owns," . . . well, I can see all sorts of NGOs getting their shit together to acquire said real estate and put it to amazing use for food production and all other kinds of awesome stuff.

It doesn't have to be run by the local government you loon. But you probably need local government to put it together and spin off the NGO that runs it.