Get Rid of Capitalism?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

[apeman]

A domestic dog is not a wolf, unless i guess you've been molly coddled by weak ideologies like socialism into playing fast and loose with definitions and always thinking your emotional intuitions represent truth.

Savage.

Who is this? Were you on DCF?

[Martin Hash]

First of all, capitalism *is* crony capitalism. You don't get one without t'other, and it is working fine.

Second, we actually know exactly how to make it work even better for more people. It just takes the sort of vigorous anti-trust, and financial and industrial regulations you get from a lefty-wefty like Teddy Roosevelt. We can continue to abandon sensible policies and statecraft in pursuit of a 'pure,' laissez-faire, trickle-down fairy tale if we like, and then start wincing about how capitalism isn't working 'cause of cronyism... but that misunderstands the 'problems' and ignores the known solutions.

And, as we move closer and closer to a zero-cost production, 3D, nano-tech, Star Trek, post-scarcity, post-capital society, the problems just work themselves directly the fuck out, since I can just trade smiles and hugs for water and iPods.

Well done, I quoted all three points.

[Martin Hash]

Only a fool tries to rationalise a justification for their violent looting. Let me go burn down the local store and then claim credit for the hard work of the people who try to build it back up again.

For you to use creative destruction in the context of government destroying something with unprincipled legal force out of directionless incompetence and greed is really something. You seem to have your definitions rather malevolently twisted around.

Capitalism revolves around voluntary, mutually beneficial transaction and private property rights that are based on the idea of self ownership. Players compete non-violently.

Crony capitalism is when the players hire muscle (government) to bypass voluntary consent between players in some way or another. Players compete violently.

A new King of Strawmanning has arrived. (Where's StA. Dude, hand over your crown.)

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

First of all, capitalism *is* crony capitalism. You don't get one without t'other, and it is working fine.

Second, we actually know exactly how to make it work even better for more people. It just takes the sort of vigorous anti-trust, and financial and industrial regulations you get from a lefty-wefty like Teddy Roosevelt. We can continue to abandon sensible policies and statecraft in pursuit of a 'pure,' laissez-faire, trickle-down fairy tale if we like, and then start wincing about how capitalism isn't working 'cause of cronyism... but that misunderstands the 'problems' and ignores the known solutions.

And, as we move closer and closer to a zero-cost production, 3D, nano-tech, Star Trek, post-scarcity, post-capital society, the problems just work themselves directly the fuck out, since I can just trade smiles and hugs for water and iPods.

Well done, I quoted all three points.

Martin makes an excellent point. +1

[Martin Hash]

I hadn't read this thread from the beginning before. Wow. Possibly the most insightful thread ever on MHF. Considering the context, tue4t was simply pushing back against an avalanche of powerful ideas, so his over-the-top response was appropriate.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I hadn't read this thread from the beginning before. Wow. Possibly the most insightful thread ever on MHF. Considering the context, tue4t was simply pushing back against an avalanche of powerful ideas, so his over-the-top response was appropriate.

This one is definitely a gem, if we can keep it.

I'd like to hear more about the 'evils of anti-trust'. That's definitely a position I haven't heard before.

[apeman]

I hadn't read this thread from the beginning before. Wow. Possibly the most insightful thread ever on MHF. Considering the context, tue4t was simply pushing back against an avalanche of powerful ideas, so his over-the-top response was appropriate.

I hope someone figures out where to take this thread next. We mostly all arrived at the same place, and now we have no idea where to go next, even though we mostly agree the hour is late.

[Martin Hash]

I'm running for office. (This time U.S. House.) I wrote a book that no one will read that states my ideology, and the solutions to these problems. For now, vested interests will ignore any change, but after The Collapse, maybe someone will read my book and say, yeah, let's do that.

p.s. I'll be posting my book for vicious attack by this forum before I make it available publically. Most of the ideas have already been savaged here, and changed thereof, but I'm willing to be challenged further so as to make further sophisticated adjustments.

[K@th]

I hope someone figures out where to take this thread next. We mostly all arrived at the same place, and now we have no idea where to go next, even though we mostly agree the hour is late.

I like your idea - let's Robespierre their asses until they get the message.