Tax Plan For Aristocracy

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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:49 am

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Martin Hash wrote:Aristocracies are popular with lots of people. Possibly most? That’s why aristocracies have ruled for most of History.
All of history, and that isn't going to change, because of your proposed inheritance tax hike, pro tip. You need to stop pretending that the aristocracy will just go away with the right tax plan, you might as well wish for an end to poverty, or war, for all the good it will do you, you can't stop them via taxation, what makes you think the aristocracy is so easily defeated?
Well, I guess plan B is inevitable.
Indeed, so get working on plan B, and knock off the wishful thinking associated with Plan A.

Realpolitik, that's what matters, quit projecting your own views on other humans, and deal with humanity as they are, warts and all, don't envision a utopia you'll never get to and base your plan on that, that will just result in failure.
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:55 am

Antifa is plan B
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by Alexander PhiAlipson » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:07 am

If we could learn the difference between wealth and income, many of the the arguments here would disappear.

Do we really want a wealth tax? Do you want everything you own assessed and reassessed on a yearly or quarterly basis so that you may be taxed on it according to some progressive scheme?

As far as income taxes go--get ready to recite the mantra--tax breaks for the rich! How can we give tax breaks to people who pay no taxes? Don't worry--they'll increase the earned income credit, the child tax care credit, as well as standard and exemption deductions.

I think the new plan doesn't target individual taxation as much as it did some other stuff... what was it? You know, Trump kept talking about it....
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by K@th » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:12 am

Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:If we could learn the difference between wealth and income, many of the the arguments here would disappear. v:
It's interesting how the people with the most wealth earn the most money, eh?
People in the rest of the nation, on the other hand, earn an average of $45,567 a year. That means that, in 2013, "the top one percent of families earned 25.3 times as much income as the bottom 99 percent," the EPI reports.Jun 12, 2017
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:15 am

Martin Hash wrote:Antifa is plan B
It's not either an inheritance tax hike, or a lower class uprising, false dichotomy. Pretending as if the only alternative to your plan is that the Sky Is Falling, nice try, but your imagination just sucks and you reflexively try and contrast your plan with a worst case scenario to make you shitty plan sound better via comparison. There are plenty of other alternatives to your Plan A that don't result in an uprising against the upper classes, you act as if inheritance taxes were higher then the Antifa would just go away, but they won't, that's not how it works.
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:23 am

Dude, you LIKE an aristocracy. You can’t imagine other people will give their lives to topple it. Yeah, they can buy off the masses a long time, but that can’t go on much longer. In a democracy, people will simply go socialist.
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

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Martin Hash wrote:Dude, you LIKE an aristocracy. You can’t imagine other people will give their lives to topple it. Yeah, they can buy off the masses a long time, but that can’t go on much longer. In a democracy, people will simply go socialist.
Oh I can imagine people revolting against an aristocracy, plenty of historical examples of that happening, just because I believe Noblesse Oblige doesn't mean I am incapable of understanding such actions, that's you trying to write off the opinion of those who disagree with you. An inheritance tax hike is going to stop a revolution from happening, you act as if that specific action isn't taken, then revolution is inevitable, and that is obviously SIFCLF bullshit.

You don't need to tear the down the rich to build up the middle class, a rising tide lifts all boats, and this isn't a zero-sum game. How about instead of tearing down the rich, you build up the middle class to close the gap, why drag anyone down when it's unnecessary and counter productive?
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:30 am

Socialism is inevitable.
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by StCapps » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:33 am

Martin Hash wrote:Socialism is inevitable.
A rising tide lifts all boats, something socialist do not understand, they think taking from the rich and giving to the poor, is a superior economic policy, it isn't, not a zero sum game.
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Re: Tax Plan For Aristocracy

Post by K@th » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:33 am

Well, to be fair, we already have socialized losses for our most wealthy. At least the profits are still privatized!

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