Is anyone sick of all the winning?

[Speaker to Animals]

Your buddies are running around with their hair on fire:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1 ... seats-away

[SuburbanFarmer]

Your buddies are running around with their hair on fire:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1 ... seats-away

Just so we're clear, you think the following:

1 - A political party that can't even muster a majority vote to change the one issue that they said was the plague of modern times - Obamacare - is going to put together 2/3 of both houses, and change the Constitution single-handedly.

2 - That this would be a good thing.

And this, immediately after calling for a rollback of Democracy itself, and a return to monarchy. Yet, I'm a traitor and should be gassed, because I think differently, and the boogymen in your head want to guillotine you for thinking differently.

Let's just ride this minecart all the way to the end.

[pineapplemike]

Yeah GOP can't even repeal Obamacare, why even waste our breath talking about them amending the constitution

[Speaker to Animals]

Your buddies are running around with their hair on fire:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1 ... seats-away

Just so we're clear, you think the following:

1 - A political party that can't even muster a majority vote to change the one issue that they said was the plague of modern times - Obamacare - is going to put together 2/3 of both houses, and change the Constitution single-handedly.

2 - That this would be a good thing.

For at least the third time: I am saying they are only one state away (something like 26 legislative seats total) from having the power to do so -- not that they will necessarily do it -- and that is indicative of how little power the democrats have.

If the democrats were a national party, there is no fucking chance the GOP would have that power on the table, even if they were unwilling to use it.

The democrats have lost all power outside of a few key states (and even then, their power is only from a handful of cities in those states).

[Speaker to Animals]

Yeah GOP can't even repeal Obamacare, why even waste our breath talking about them amending the constitution

It's a point completely irrelevant to the argument. I don't care if they will do it or not (well, I kind of wish they would, but won't hold my breath). The point is that people were challenging my assertion that the democrats are no longer a national party, and I replied with the fact that the GOP is actually about to control enough states to have that option if they so choose.

They are 8 seats away from a supermajority in the federal government as well.

You can't process those facts and then rationally conclude the democratic party is a national party any longer. Maybe they will regain that status. I sure fucking hope not. But right here and now, they don't have any national influence.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Your buddies are running around with their hair on fire:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1 ... seats-away

Just so we're clear, you think the following:

1 - A political party that can't even muster a majority vote to change the one issue that they said was the plague of modern times - Obamacare - is going to put together 2/3 of both houses, and change the Constitution single-handedly.

2 - That this would be a good thing.

For at least the third time: I am saying they are only one state away (something like 26 legislative seats total) from having the power to do so -- not that they will necessarily do it -- and that is indicative of how little power the democrats have.

If the democrats were a national party, there is no fucking chance the GOP would have that power on the table, even if they were unwilling to use it.

The democrats have lost all power outside of a few key states (and even then, their power is only from a handful of cities in those states).

Great. Maybe now we can form a relevant party or two (or three or four).

[SuburbanFarmer]

Yeah GOP can't even repeal Obamacare, why even waste our breath talking about them amending the constitution

It's a point completely irrelevant to the argument. I don't care if they will do it or not (well, I kind of wish they would, but won't hold my breath). The point is that people were challenging my assertion that the democrats are no longer a national party, and I replied with the fact that the GOP is actually about to control enough states to have that option if they so choose.

They are 8 seats away from a supermajority in the federal government as well.

You can't process those facts and then rationally conclude the democratic party is a national party any longer. Maybe they will regain that status. I sure fucking hope not. But right here and now, they don't have any national influence.

I'm not challenging that. I don't care if the DNC implodes completely. The GOP will splinter into at least 3 parties on it's own, and hopefully we see some Independent parties at last.

But i can guarantee you that you do not want to see the effects of a single, unified political party on democracy.

[StCapps]

Having more than two parties is no panacea, there is in fact little difference in having three or four. Take it from those who know first hand, you won't like the third or fourth party either and nothing will have really changed, it is not the big change you seem to expect it would be.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's not going to change anything, and in any case, the division is mostly going to come down to the big cities versus the rest of the nation, which is by default a two-party divide.

The only reason undercover hacks like GCF advocate for more than one party is because they want to split the republican vote. When more than two parties meant Ralph Nader, these same people were screaming bloody murder. But when they have one of their own undercover hacks running as a libertarian (which is another liberal) and trying to split the republican vote, they are balls fucking in for that -- though I don't doubt he voted for Clinton behind the closed curtain either.

For better or worse, the democratic party is now the party of a handful of very large metropolitan areas. It's not enough.

The hilarious part is how they want to go to a popular vote, which would open up all the voters inside those cities who are now suppressed by the electoral college.

The democratic party is pretty much fucked.

[Speaker to Animals]

Personally I think we should let the cities go to become their own sovereign city states under the auspices of a greater American confederation. Let the cities become the multicultural paradise with all the progressive policies and so forth so they don't soil the rest of America with it. Let them pay for the consequences of that as well without impacting the rest of us.