Trump's Five Million

[Okeefenokee]

That's all unconstitutional

only by amendment, and it can be undone.

An ID is not unconstitutional that is garbage. And the political will to amend the Constitution on the other factors doesn't exist.

I was responding in general to what it seems like Cali is saying, that any restriction or requirement for voting is unconstitutional.

It's not true.

1789: The Constitution grants the states the power to set voting requirements. Generally, states limited this right to property-owning or tax-paying white males.
1790: The Naturalization Act of 1790 allows white men born outside of the United States to become citizens with the right to vote.
1792: Beginning of the abolition of property qualifications for white men, from 1792 (Kentucky) to 1856 (North Carolina) during the periods of Jeffersonian and Jacksonian democracy.[1]
1792-1838: Free black males lose the right to vote in several Northern states including Pennsylvania and New Jersey.
1868: Citizenship is guaranteed to all persons born or naturalized in the United States, setting the stage for future expansions to voting rights.
1870: Non-white men and freed slaves are guaranteed the right to vote by the Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. However, for many years, some states were very successful at suppressing this vote (see Jim Crow Laws).
1887: Citizenship is granted to Native Americans who are willing to disassociate themselves from their tribe by the Dawes Act, making them technically eligible to vote.
1913: Direct election of Senators, established by the Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, gave voters rather than state legislatures the right to elect senators.[2]
1920: Women are guaranteed the right to vote by the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. In practice, the same restrictions that hindered the ability of non-white men to vote now also applied to non-white women.
1924: All Native Americans are granted citizenship and the right to vote, regardless of tribal affiliation. By this point, approximately two thirds of Native Americans were already citizens.[3][4]
1943: Chinese immigrants given the right to citizenship and the right to vote by the Magnuson Act.
1961: Residents of Washington, D.C. are granted the right to vote in U.S. Presidential Elections by the Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution.
1964: Tax payment prohibited from being used as a condition for voting in federal elections by the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
1965: Protection of voter registration and voting for racial minorities, later applied to language minorities, is established by the Voting Rights Act of 1965. This has also been applied to correcting discriminatory election systems and districting.
1966: Tax payment and property requirements for voting are prohibited in all U.S. elections by the Supreme Court in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections.
1971: Adults aged 18 and 21 are granted the right to vote by the Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution. This was enacted in response to Vietnam War protests, which argued that soldiers who were old enough to fight for their country should be granted the right to vote.[2][5]
1972: Requirement that a person reside in a jurisdiction for an extended period — 14th Amendment; Dunn v. Blumstein, 405 U.S. 330 (1972).[6][7][7]
1973: Washington, D.C. local elections, such as Mayor and Councilmen, restored after a 100-year gap in Georgetown, and 190-year gap in the wider city, ending Congress's policy of local election disfranchisement started in 1801 in this former portion of Maryland — see: D.C. Home rule.
1986: United States Military and Uniformed Services, Merchant Marine, other citizens overseas, living on bases in the United States, abroad, or aboard ship are granted the right to vote by the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.[8]
2006: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was extended for the fourth time by George W. Bush, being the second extension of 25 years.[9]
2013: Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision that Section 4(b) of the Voting Rights Act is unconstitutional. Section 4(b) states that if states or local governments wants to change their voting laws, they must appeal to the Attorney General.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... ted_States

[Ex-California]

Not if you grandfather it in. If every person born gets a new ID card instead of ssn rhe system will replace itself.

Sure, that's an easy nuts and bolts idea, but what about the picture? Think of the DMV but worse.

And if this ID is so important we can't wait for the months it takes to get a passport after you send your own picture in

Don't need a Photo just the number, until like driving age.

The picture is like a passport pic 5-10 mins at cvs. One of the easier things to do as responsible adult. You'll bitch and complain and infantalize minorities because black people getting pictures is somehow impossible, but it will happen anyhow.

The picture is easy to do, yes, but then you have to send it in and wait for literal months as the government does whatever it does making passports

Beyond that, this is more theft as the fee would be taking your money for something that the government requires

[Ex-California]

only by amendment, and it can be undone.

An ID is not unconstitutional that is garbage. And the political will to amend the Constitution on the other factors doesn't exist.

I was responding in general to what it seems like Cali is saying, that any restriction or requirement for voting is unconstitutional.

It's not true.

1789: The Constitution grants the states the power to set voting requirements. Generally, states limited this right to property-owning or tax-paying white males.
1790: The Naturalization Act of 1790 allows white men born outside of the United States to become citizens with the right to vote.
1792: Beginning of the abolition of property qualifications for white men, from 1792 (Kentucky) to 1856 (North Carolina) during the periods of Jeffersonian and Jacksonian democracy.[1]
1792-1838: Free black males lose the right to vote in several Northern states including Pennsylvania and New Jersey.
1868: Citizenship is guaranteed to all persons born or naturalized in the United States, setting the stage for future expansions to voting rights.
1870: Non-white men and freed slaves are guaranteed the right to vote by the Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. However, for many years, some states were very successful at suppressing this vote (see Jim Crow Laws).
1887: Citizenship is granted to Native Americans who are willing to disassociate themselves from their tribe by the Dawes Act, making them technically eligible to vote.
1913: Direct election of Senators, established by the Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, gave voters rather than state legislatures the right to elect senators.[2]
1920: Women are guaranteed the right to vote by the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. In practice, the same restrictions that hindered the ability of non-white men to vote now also applied to non-white women.
1924: All Native Americans are granted citizenship and the right to vote, regardless of tribal affiliation. By this point, approximately two thirds of Native Americans were already citizens.[3][4]
1943: Chinese immigrants given the right to citizenship and the right to vote by the Magnuson Act.
1961: Residents of Washington, D.C. are granted the right to vote in U.S. Presidential Elections by the Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution.
1964: Tax payment prohibited from being used as a condition for voting in federal elections by the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
1965: Protection of voter registration and voting for racial minorities, later applied to language minorities, is established by the Voting Rights Act of 1965. This has also been applied to correcting discriminatory election systems and districting.
1966: Tax payment and property requirements for voting are prohibited in all U.S. elections by the Supreme Court in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections.
1971: Adults aged 18 and 21 are granted the right to vote by the Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution. This was enacted in response to Vietnam War protests, which argued that soldiers who were old enough to fight for their country should be granted the right to vote.[2][5]
1972: Requirement that a person reside in a jurisdiction for an extended period — 14th Amendment; Dunn v. Blumstein, 405 U.S. 330 (1972).[6][7][7]
1973: Washington, D.C. local elections, such as Mayor and Councilmen, restored after a 100-year gap in Georgetown, and 190-year gap in the wider city, ending Congress's policy of local election disfranchisement started in 1801 in this former portion of Maryland — see: D.C. Home rule.
1986: United States Military and Uniformed Services, Merchant Marine, other citizens overseas, living on bases in the United States, abroad, or aboard ship are granted the right to vote by the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.[8]
2006: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was extended for the fourth time by George W. Bush, being the second extension of 25 years.[9]
2013: Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision that Section 4(b) of the Voting Rights Act is unconstitutional. Section 4(b) states that if states or local governments wants to change their voting laws, they must appeal to the Attorney General.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... ted_States

All of those restrictions have been overturned as we actually move towards universal suffrage. Restrictions may have been Constitutional when it was written, but they're not now. Slavery used to be constitutional as well

[TheReal_ND]

Getting a passport takes a long time because for 200 extra doll hairs you can get them to do their job. Other forms of ID don't work that way. Cali DMV's do suck though I know I've had to get one.

[clubgop]

Sure, that's an easy nuts and bolts idea, but what about the picture? Think of the DMV but worse.

And if this ID is so important we can't wait for the months it takes to get a passport after you send your own picture in

Don't need a Photo just the number, until like driving age.

The picture is like a passport pic 5-10 mins at cvs. One of the easier things to do as responsible adult. You'll bitch and complain and infantalize minorities because black people getting pictures is somehow impossible, but it will happen anyhow.

The picture is easy to do, yes, but then you have to send it in and wait for literal months as the government does whatever it does making passports

Beyond that, this is more theft as the fee would be taking your money for something that the government requires

Would not have to take that long, remember a passport application has to make it's way through the state department to make sure you are not a security risk.

[Okeefenokee]

All of those restrictions have been overturned as we actually move towards universal suffrage. Restrictions may have been Constitutional when it was written, but they're not now. Slavery used to be constitutional as well

Most states still don't let felons vote.

Did you miss this part, or did you not really read any of it?

2013: Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision that Section 4(b) of the Voting Rights Act is unconstitutional. Section 4(b) states that if states or local governments wants to change their voting laws, they must appeal to the Attorney General.

The constitution still leaves it to each state to determine voting laws. Only a few laws and amendments exist that place limits on what those laws can be, and those laws can be changed (see above quote), amendments repealed. Alcohol used to be prohibited as well.

There's nothing unconstitutional about voter restrictions.

[Ex-California]

I'm just really surprised that considering the attitudes of most people here that you think the government could get this right. I mean, what have they gotten right in the last hundred years?

[TheReal_ND]

I'm just really surprised that considering the attitudes of most people here that you think the government could get this right. I mean, what have they gotten right in the last hundred years?

This. Until existing laws are enforced I do not trust a federal mandate to patch over this problem with "Le quick fix xDDDD" meme that they so often use to fuck us over.

I'm not saying nothing needs be done. What I'm saying is that if we can't trust certain states to enforce their own fucking rules that require NATURAL fucking citizens to vote then who can you trust? I'd sooner elect a literal dictator than turn over the keys to these faggots.

I have mixed feelings on the issue clearly

[SuburbanFarmer]

I'm just really surprised that considering the attitudes of most people here that you think the government could get this right. I mean, what have they gotten right in the last hundred years?

Apollo program, interstate highway system, and national parks.

[clubgop]

I'm just really surprised that considering the attitudes of most people here that you think the government could get this right. I mean, what have they gotten right in the last hundred years?

Apollo program, interstate highway system, and national parks.

All thanks to the MIC.