Sell me on why I should embrace the Muslim religion

[DrYouth]

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge.

Safe room anyone?

[Zlaxer]

The concept of freedom of religion as you seem to define it is suicidal.

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge. Is there going to freedom of religion or not? And if there is, how will you define it to avoid it being "suicidal"?

You can do what you want as long as you don't infringe the rights of others....I don't understand why people are having a hard time grasping this.....Islam is a problem because many of its followers believe they have a right to convert by threat of death....

[Speaker to Animals]

The concept of freedom of religion as you seem to define it is suicidal.

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge. Is there going to freedom of religion or not? And if there is, how will you define it to avoid it being "suicidal"?

I didn't say it's easy. But to claim there should exist an absolute freedom of religion is insanity. We have one religion that will never recognize your freedom to even exist. Their religion is literally predicated upon the extermination of all unbelievers.

In an earlier thread, I gave the example of Aztecs. If Mexicans still worshiped their old gods and sacrificed humans in their temples, would you want them coming here at all? I wouldn't. There obviously exists a line. Let's just admit that right now.

The freedom of religion, as it was conceived by our founders, had to do with the wars between Christian sects in Europe. I.e. the English Civil Wars and the Thirty Years War. If you go back and read what they actually wrote when they wrote about Muslims, there is absolutely no fucking way they would have allowed Muslims in any great number to move here. I am sure they wouldn't care about a few here and there, but not this. This is fucking nuts.

[DrYouth]

I am sure they wouldn't care about a few here and there, but not this. This is fucking nuts.

Is there a massive influx of muslim immigration into the US?

What are the numbers looking like?

How does it compare to Chinese and Hindu immigration numbers?

[Speaker to Animals]

I am sure they wouldn't care about a few here and there, but not this. This is fucking nuts.

Is there a massive influx of muslim immigration into the US?

What are the numbers looking like?

How does it compare to Chinese and Hindu immigration numbers?

We are full up. No more. The risk is much too high and they obviously don't belong here.

Have you even stopped to consider how many Muslims in Manchester must have known about this little terror cell and said/did nothing? When we bring up the poll statistics indicating that over 20% of British Muslims support ISIS and terror attacks, this is what the consequences of that are. They don't belong in the west. They never did and they never will until they abandon Islam.

[Zlaxer]

@DrYouth - given what we are witnessing in Europe, why do you believe we should continue to let Muslim immigrants in? The evidence is pretty damming that once a western country's Islamic population his critical mass, rights start to become infringed....i.e., appeasement to Islam....

Sure, it's beneficial to poor Muslims to come to the US, but do you not believe that the risks out weigh any benefits? It's not like we need them...it's just not worth the hassle or fair to the non-muslims who will eventually be harassed and harmed by a growing Islamic population....

[de officiis]

The concept of freedom of religion as you seem to define it is suicidal.

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge. Is there going to freedom of religion or not? And if there is, how will you define it to avoid it being "suicidal"?

I didn't say it's easy. But to claim there should exist an absolute freedom of religion is insanity. We have one religion that will never recognize your freedom to even exist. Their religion is literally predicated upon the extermination of all unbelievers.

In an earlier thread, I gave the example of Aztecs. If Mexicans still worshiped their old gods and sacrificed humans in their temples, would you want them coming here at all? I wouldn't. There obviously exists a line. Let's just admit that right now.

The freedom of religion, as it was conceived by our founders, had to do with the wars between Christian sects in Europe. I.e. the English Civil Wars and the Thirty Years War. If you go back and read what they actually wrote when they wrote about Muslims, there is absolutely no fucking way they would have allowed Muslims in any great number to move here. I am sure they wouldn't care about a few here and there, but not this. This is fucking nuts.

It has never been the law in this country that there is absolute freedom of religion. You can believe what you want, but you can't infringe on the rights of others. Surely you know this.

[de officiis]

The way I see it, what you guys fail to acknowledge is that you can't discriminate on the basis of religious belief without having some form of thought police. It's not enough to have some sort of entrance exam for immigrants, because as we've seen, natural citizens are perfectly capable of self radicalizing anytime they want. All it takes is an Internet connection and a willing mind. So you would need to have ongoing, continuous screening of some kind of all citizens to ensure that no one could begin to believe in some form of dangerous religion. That sort of policing mechanism is not consistent with a free society. This is what GCF keeps telling you when he expresses concerns about living in a police state, but you guys always ignore his point.

[Speaker to Animals]

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge. Is there going to freedom of religion or not? And if there is, how will you define it to avoid it being "suicidal"?

I didn't say it's easy. But to claim there should exist an absolute freedom of religion is insanity. We have one religion that will never recognize your freedom to even exist. Their religion is literally predicated upon the extermination of all unbelievers.

In an earlier thread, I gave the example of Aztecs. If Mexicans still worshiped their old gods and sacrificed humans in their temples, would you want them coming here at all? I wouldn't. There obviously exists a line. Let's just admit that right now.

The freedom of religion, as it was conceived by our founders, had to do with the wars between Christian sects in Europe. I.e. the English Civil Wars and the Thirty Years War. If you go back and read what they actually wrote when they wrote about Muslims, there is absolutely no fucking way they would have allowed Muslims in any great number to move here. I am sure they wouldn't care about a few here and there, but not this. This is fucking nuts.

It has never been the law in this country that there is absolute freedom of religion. You can believe what you want, but you can't infringe on the rights of others. Surely you know this.

Are you intentionally missing the point?

Here we have a religion that does NOT recognize the principle of freedom of religion. This idea that we should "tolerate" all religions to the point where we allow mass migrations of people of any religion into our nation is suicide precisely because, when Muslims reach some critical mass such that they can impact laws, they will eventually get around to rescinding the freedom of religion in America.

This concept of freedom of any religion in America is suicidal. It will eventually lead to the situation where a religion that does not recognize this freedom gaining enough power to remove the principle. Meanwhile you placed your descendants in a worse place than 1930s' era Jews ever were in.

[Speaker to Animals]

This is essentially the same problem as moral relativism. It leads to the same end of a civilization that practices it.