Colbert takes the gloves off on Trump

[StCapps]

If there is a stud liberal out there, who is thinking they can really be President, they're not going to risk it all against the incumbent, they will wait for their opening, that's the thing, the parties can't get their studs to run against the incumbents, the studs bide their time, they don't blow their wad until they think it is a sure bet.

Why risk it? Not many can pull an Andrew Jackson and lose the first election and then come back and win a second. You only really get one shot at it, unless you're Tricky Dick, Old Hickory, and the one former incumbent exception, Grover Cleveland.

[Smitty-48]

If there is a stud liberal out there, who is thinking they can really be President, they're not going to risk it all against the incumbent, they will wait for their opening, that's the thing, the parties can't get their studs to run against the incumbents, the studs bide their time, they don't blow their wad until they think it is a sure bet.

Why risk it? Not many can pull an Andrew Jackson.

Once in awhile, the cycle is broken, a Jimmy Carter blows his brains out with a Malaise Speech or some suicidal shit like that, but most Presidents are not so reckless, as to pull a Jimmy Carter and just come out and tell the American people that they suck, so, the Gipper saw his opening there, but that's a once in a blue moon kind of thing.

100% Trump is not going to pull a Malaise Speech, everything will be tremendous and wonderful, morning in America, all the way to 2024.

[StCapps]

Once in awhile, the cycle is broken, a Jimmy Carter blows his brains out with a Malaise Speech or some suicidal shit like that, but most Presidents are not so reckless, as to pull a Jimmy Carter and just come out and tell the American people that they suck, so, the Gipper saw his opening there, but that's a once in a blue moon kind of thing.

Yeah but in that case you could say that Carter losing had a lot to do with Reagan's skills as a politician. Just like you can say HW Bush losing had a lot to do with Clinton's skills as a politician. All the major exceptions are caused by formidable opponents upsetting an incumbent POTUS, no examples of patsy's pulling off such a feat, only dudes who went on to be two term Presidents. Not seeing anyone who could potentially adequately fill such a roll for the Democrats, their bench is empty, so yeah, not looking like they will find one by 2020.

[Smitty-48]

Carter was dead man walking, the moment the Malaise Speech went over the air, Reagan had been looking for his opening, but when Carter blew his brains out, it was a sure bet, Reagan didn't have the balls to take on LBJ, Reagan could have run in 64', but he passed on that, both Nixon and Reagan let Extremism in the Defense of Liberty be the patsy there, and just bided their time, run into the teeth of Great Society with JFK as the martyr, no thanks, then LBJ went Malaise Speech on steroids, "I will not seek nor except your condemnation over my Vietnam debacle", and then Nixon and Reagan went head to head, Nixon won by a cunt hair, Reagan wasn't going to primary him in 72', Nixon was incandescantly popular, but then came Watergate, so Reagan had to just hang back there, because guarunteed it was going to be a Democrat winning that round, then, came Malaise Speech, and finally Reagan was ready to pounce.


People who are going to run for President to win, they're calculating, they're trying to run on time and on target, if/when the DZ is a wave off, wrong time wrong target, they just keep their powder dry.

[StCapps]

Carter was dead man walking, the moment the Malaise Speech went over the air, Reagan had been looking for his opening, but when Carter blew his brains out, it was a sure bet, Reagan didn't have the balls to take on LBJ, Reagan could have run in 64', but he passed on that, both Nixon and Reagan let Extremism in the Defense of Liberty be the patsy there, and just bided their time, run into the teeth of Great Society with JFK as the martyr, no thanks, then LBJ went Malaise Speech on steroids, "I will not seek nor except your condemnation over my Vietnam debacle", and then Nixon and Reagan went head to head, Nixon won by a cunt hair, Reagan wasn't going to primary him in 72, but then came Watergate, so Reagan had to just hang back there, because guarunteed it was going to be a Democrat winning that round, then, came Malaise Speech, and finally Reagan was ready to pounce.

True but my point is, even though it's required for incumbent turnover, a fumble in and of itself isn't enough, because patsies suck at recovering fumbles and have never recovered one. You need someone capable of actually capitalizing on an incumbent fumble, or it's a non-starter. Only future two term presidents seem to be able to fall on these fumbles, and I don't think that is just a coincidence.

[Smitty-48]

True but my point is, a fumble isn't enough because patsies suck at recovering fumbles, and you need someone capable of actually capitalizing on the incumbent fumble, or it's a non-starter. Only future two term presidents seem to be able to fall on those fumbles, I don't think that is just a coincidence.

Well, wasn't just a fumble, the economy went for a shit, Carter overplayed his hand, people were generally sick of all the Lefty Wefty America bashing, but the Malaise Speech, was the nail in the coffin, that sealed the deal, that was an incumbent, which one would want to run against, but usually, the stars don't come into alignment like that, generally, running against the incumbent, even one which your base despises and is enraged by, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George W Bush, it's a bad bet.

If there is some Democrat out there thinking that they can win, they're unlikely to run into the teeth of the incumbent barring a Malaise Speech moment or something like that, basically, Trump would have to blow himself up, on an epic scale, which, contrary to the breathless liberal media narrative, he's not actually doing at all, nothing of the sort, like I said, 94% support with his base, 84% with Republicans overall, those numbers, are rather spectacular actually, what liberals think of him, is of no consequence, when he's pulling down numbers like that.

What the liberal media has to do, in order to make him look less popular than he is, is subtract the massive Democrat voter dissaproval from Trump's non-Democrat voter approval, but since none of those Democrat voters were ever going to vote for him anyways, and since they are all concentrated in certain districts which he doesn't need to win, and since they'll be running some Commie Faggot against him in 2020, their dissaproval, is irrelevant.

The Democrats are not going to be able to pull another Obama out of their hats, Obama's don't grow on trees, but even if there was an Obama out there, his team is saying; "lets not get in the way of this Trump train, we'll bide our time until 2024 when it has run its course, let the Commie Faggot take the fall this round, once Trump is gone, then we'll make our move".

The problem for the Democrats right now, is that they are lousy with Commies, the Left wing of the party, while totally unelectable, is none the less trying to seize the agenda, so really, the Democrats are actually going to sandbag in the next round, they will run the Commie Faggot as a patsy, once that comes a cropper against the Trump train, then the center will be able to regain the initiative, basically they have to run the Commie Faggot right into the Trump train, to get run over, simply to discredit the Commie wing of the party, in order to set it up for electability in 2024.

[Ex-California]

Incumbent Presidents win by default in America, unless the other party runs a real smooth politician as a foil. Carter lost because the GOP ran Reagan, H.W. Bush lost because the DNC ran Clinton, Ford was never elected so he doesn't count, Hoover ran against FDR.

You get the picture, assuming Trump is done in four years without a formidable opponent to face him in 2020 is pretty silly considering the historical record of incumbent Presidents when it comes to re-election. The DNC has zero reason to be cocky and yet they are, not a good sign if they actually want to win in 2020.

Totally agree.

Look at Bush II. He lost the popular vote the first time, started two very unpopular wars, and had lower approval ratings than Trump in 2004. He still beat Kerry no problem

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Incumbent Presidents win by default in America, unless the other party runs a real smooth politician as a foil. Carter lost because the GOP ran Reagan, H.W. Bush lost because the DNC ran Clinton, Ford was never elected so he doesn't count, Hoover ran against FDR.

You get the picture, assuming Trump is done in four years without a formidable opponent to face him in 2020 is pretty silly considering the historical record of incumbent Presidents when it comes to re-election. The DNC has zero reason to be cocky and yet they are, not a good sign if they actually want to win in 2020.

Totally agree.

Look at Bush II. He lost the popular vote the first time, started two very unpopular wars, and had lower approval ratings than Trump in 2004. He still beat Kerry no problem

Famously charismatic John Kerry.

[clubgop]

Carter was dead man walking, the moment the Malaise Speech went over the air, Reagan had been looking for his opening, but when Carter blew his brains out, it was a sure bet, Reagan didn't have the balls to take on LBJ, Reagan could have run in 64', but he passed on that, both Nixon and Reagan let Extremism in the Defense of Liberty be the patsy there, and just bided their time, run into the teeth of Great Society with JFK as the martyr, no thanks, then LBJ went Malaise Speech on steroids, "I will not seek nor except your condemnation over my Vietnam debacle", and then Nixon and Reagan went head to head, Nixon won by a cunt hair, Reagan wasn't going to primary him in 72', Nixon was incandescantly popular, but then came Watergate, so Reagan had to just hang back there, because guarunteed it was going to be a Democrat winning that round, then, came Malaise Speech, and finally Reagan was ready to pounce.


People who are going to run for President to win, they're calculating, they're trying to run on time and on target, if/when the DZ is a wave off, wrong time wrong target, they just keep their powder dry.

Reagan did not bide his time after watergate. He took Ford all the wau to a brokered convention. Reagan was one of those with both exceptional skill and no time to lose cause age. As Sun Tzu said he was on desperate ground. That is who we are going to get in 2020, people's whosr time is now or never. Anyone who plays the SJW game "time is on a spectrum" is done. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, maybe Clinton, and maybe Biden. This is the last round of WH bingo at the DNC old folks home.

[clubgop]

You get the picture, assuming Trump is done in four years without a formidable opponent to face him in 2020 is pretty silly considering the historical record of incumbent Presidents when it comes to re-election. The DNC has zero reason to be cocky and yet they are, not a good sign if they actually want to win in 2020.

Well right now they got a boner for 2018 think the GOP is something to eat. And the way the GOP is acting they aint wrong. So you can fault them for thinking that way. That being said there many issues and inability to deal with them could ve them fucking up a wet dream.