Recent Trends in Corporate Personhood and the Overexpansion of Corporate Rights

[Martin Hash]

Personhood != people;

I'm on the edge of my seat for this one...

Speaker sometimes makes my arguments for me. (I'm not sure he's aware of it.)

[Speaker to Animals]

Corporations, by definition, are legal persons. Otherwise you'd not be able to tax them, sue them, etc.

Aaaaaand strike three.

They are a grouping of people, formed into a company. You can tax that company as a collective entity, and therefore the people within it, but that doesn't make it "a person".

Do the other amendments apply? Are corporations granted the right to have a religion, and bear arms? Looking forward to Exxon-Mobile's missile defense program, or Disneys private militia.

LMFAO

A corporation is literally a legal person. That's what it means. It's a legal fiction that makes it possible for corporations to exist within our legal system.

The law treats a corporation as a legal "person" that has standing to sue and be sued, distinct from its stockholders. The legal independence of a corporation prevents shareholders from being personally liable for corporate debts. It also allows stockholders to sue the corporation through a derivative suit and makes ownership in the company (shares) easily transferable. The legal "person" status of corporations gives the business perpetual life; deaths of officials or stockholders do not alter the corporation's structure.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/corporations

[SuburbanFarmer]

Corporations, by definition, are legal persons. Otherwise you'd not be able to tax them, sue them, etc.

Aaaaaand strike three.

They are a grouping of people, formed into a company. You can tax that company as a collective entity, and therefore the people within it, but that doesn't make it "a person".

Do the other amendments apply? Are corporations granted the right to have a religion, and bear arms? Looking forward to Exxon-Mobile's missile defense program, or Disneys private militia.

LMFAO

A corporation is literally a legal person. That's what it means. It's a legal fiction that makes it possible for corporations to exist within our legal system.

The law treats a corporation as a legal "person" that has standing to sue and be sued, distinct from its stockholders. The legal independence of a corporation prevents shareholders from being personally liable for corporate debts. It also allows stockholders to sue the corporation through a derivative suit and makes ownership in the company (shares) easily transferable. The legal "person" status of corporations gives the business perpetual life; deaths of officials or stockholders do not alter the corporation's structure.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/corporations

You are literally talking out of your ass. Again.

Does a corporation have the other constitutional rights? Does it stand liable to criminal proceedings? How does one put a corporation in jail? Are they put to death when found liable for murder?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Corporations, by definition, are legal persons. Otherwise you'd not be able to tax them, sue them, etc.

Aaaaaand strike three.

They are a grouping of people, formed into a company. You can tax that company as a collective entity, and therefore the people within it, but that doesn't make it "a person".

Do the other amendments apply? Are corporations granted the right to have a religion, and bear arms? Looking forward to Exxon-Mobile's missile defense program, or Disneys private militia.

you just can't help yourself.

Yep. Tell me again how that worked out for them?

[Speaker to Animals]

Aaaaaand strike three.

They are a grouping of people, formed into a company. You can tax that company as a collective entity, and therefore the people within it, but that doesn't make it "a person".

Do the other amendments apply? Are corporations granted the right to have a religion, and bear arms? Looking forward to Exxon-Mobile's missile defense program, or Disneys private militia.

LMFAO

A corporation is literally a legal person. That's what it means. It's a legal fiction that makes it possible for corporations to exist within our legal system.

The law treats a corporation as a legal "person" that has standing to sue and be sued, distinct from its stockholders. The legal independence of a corporation prevents shareholders from being personally liable for corporate debts. It also allows stockholders to sue the corporation through a derivative suit and makes ownership in the company (shares) easily transferable. The legal "person" status of corporations gives the business perpetual life; deaths of officials or stockholders do not alter the corporation's structure.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/corporations

You are literally talking out of your ass. Again.

Does a corporation have the other constitutional rights? Does it stand liable to criminal proceedings? How does one put a corporation in jail? Are they put to death when found liable for murder?

Yes.

A corporation possesses the freedom of speech (Citizens United), and in some cases the freedom of religion (Hobby Lobby). A corporation can be charged with crimes (Arthur Anderson).

Next question.

[Okeefenokee]

Aaaaaand strike three.

They are a grouping of people, formed into a company. You can tax that company as a collective entity, and therefore the people within it, but that doesn't make it "a person".

Do the other amendments apply? Are corporations granted the right to have a religion, and bear arms? Looking forward to Exxon-Mobile's missile defense program, or Disneys private militia.

you just can't help yourself.

Yep. Tell me again how that worked out for them?

They went to the supreme court and won.

https://www.oyez.org/cases/2013/13-354

[Speaker to Animals]

Flood of cat pics incoming.

[Okeefenokee]

Flood of cat pics incoming.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Being able to sue someone is not a Constitutional Right....

Redress of grievances.

...that's the right to sue the government, not other people. How the fuck...

The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances guarantees people the right to ask the government to provide relief for a wrong through the courts (litigation) or other governmental action. It works with the right of assembly by allowing people to join together and seek change from the government.

[Okeefenokee]

Redress of grievances.

...that's the right to sue the government, not other people. How the fuck...

The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances guarantees people the right to ask the government to provide relief for a wrong through the courts (litigation) or other governmental action. It works with the right of assembly by allowing people to join together and seek change from the government.

doh!