Income Inequality

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:34 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
PartyOf5 wrote:I'll agree with you that there is not a 1:1 relationship. The productivity metric may measure revenue/employee in a very general way for a company as a whole, but it does not tell you how valuable any individual employee is or how much that employee contributed to the revenue.
... So companies are just magically more profitable with fewer employees? No.
Where did you get that from? You must be having a different conversation in your head because it's not related to what I posted.
I mean that companies are now many times more profitable than before, and that is a direct result of the massive productivity increases in the workforce, which is due to the technology. It didn't just happen because companies are suddenly "better" somehow.

And all of that change has done little or nothing for the actual employees that have managed to adapt to it.
GrumpyCatFace wrote: Because even a mid-level office drone is operating at the equivalent of hundreds of his kind just a short time ago. Where do you suppose all the money went that paid that staff?
PartyOf5 wrote: The money went to pay for all the database administrators, website developers, and other IT jobs that didn't exist a generation ago.
A generation ago, that would have been an army of researchers, graphic artists, phone operators, and mathematicians.
My point is that old jobs have been replaced by new ones. Yours appears to be that we've had a 99% reduction in employment due to productivity increases.[/quote]

My point is that the jobs have NOT been replaced. You're simply seeing a single employee do the work of 10-20 before.

If Americas workforce suddenly became 10x smarter, produced 10x more, and worked in place of 10 other people, then wouldn't you say that they deserved at least 10x more in wages?
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by PartyOf5 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:23 am

Martin Hash wrote:There's no way to look at specifics & come to a general solution of dangerously increasing wealth inequality. This is where you need to rely on ideology. Let Emergent Order take care of the bottom & tax the top. If income has diminishing returns then that pushes opportunity down to the next tier. The top quarter of the population pull everyone else along but only 1% of them are getting the rewards now.
The trick is finding a way to tax the top that works. By works I mean something that actually results in the top 1% paying more and not those considered middle class. Our government has zero will to do that, no matter who the POTUS is,so we have to deal with the reality of today.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by apeman » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:25 am

PartyOf5 wrote:Our government has zero will to do that
I am skeptical that our current system is even capable of it.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by PartyOf5 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:28 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote: If Americas workforce suddenly became 10x smarter, produced 10x more, and worked in place of 10 other people, then wouldn't you say that they deserved at least 10x more in wages?
If everyone's wages go up 10x, we'll all just be paying $40 for a meal at McDonalds.

I think we agree that the income of the very rich doesn't line up with their production when compared to the rest of us. Income inequality is a real thing. I just don't think there is a realistic solution for it right now.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:38 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote: If Americas workforce suddenly became 10x smarter, produced 10x more, and worked in place of 10 other people, then wouldn't you say that they deserved at least 10x more in wages?
If everyone's wages go up 10x, we'll all just be paying $40 for a meal at McDonalds.

I think we agree that the income of the very rich doesn't line up with their production when compared to the rest of us. Income inequality is a real thing. I just don't think there is a realistic solution for it right now.
No, there would be some inflation, but it's only money that was being spent by the rich on whatever-they-wanted, rather than regulars.
There is no new money created by this, only a gigantic shift from the vaults of the leisure class to the masses.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:07 am

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Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote: I am still waiting for the Beanie-Baby market to come back around so I can offload my warehouse of Mystic Unicorns.
I am 50/50 on whether this a joke or not.
Everyone makes bad investment decisions from time to time... don't judge me godamnit!
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Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:35 am

So are your beanie babies worth more or less than Yahoo! stock? Or are we talking Lycos and Pets.com territory?

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by apeman » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:41 am

Good thread idea: worst purchase/investment you've ever made.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:41 am

apeman wrote:Good thread idea: worst purchase/investment you've ever made.

Easy: marriage.

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Re: Income Inequality

Post by Fife » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:46 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
apeman wrote:Good thread idea: worst purchase/investment you've ever made.

Easy: marriage.
Two male contestants on Family Feud would hit the buzzer on that question in a tie in .9 nanoseconds. :goteam: