Developments in the area of USPACOM, Pacific Theatre

[kybkh]

Their best deterrence is to continue to pay for our welfare programs as to keep the giant asleep.

[Smitty-48]

Again, the Americans have the deterrence upper hand by many orders of magnitude, one does not simply sink a US Navy fleet, without inciting World War Three on the spot, a massed ballistic missile raid sinking US carrier strike groups, is the "about to be overrun" tactical nuclear retaliation scenario incarnate, massed ballistic missile raid againt Guam, Okinawa etcetera, is the strategic launch on warning scenario in a nutshell, and as for conventional air-sea battle in the China Seas, the Americans win that one hands down, when they sink the entire Chinese navy by the end of the first week.

The Chinese are stupid, but they ain't crazy.

[kybkh]

You doubt norad will red phone Xi to ask if incoming are nuclear or not?

[Smitty-48]

You doubt norad will red phone Xi to ask if incoming are nuclear or not?

They only red phone the Russians, the Chinese are a second rate nuclear power, if they go launching a second rate massed ballistic missile raid against US forces in the western Pacific, the only thing they're going to get out of that, is a counterforce strike upside their heads.

Uncle Sam ain't gonna be playin' somebody goes and pulls a stunt like that, a stunt like that, is sowing the whirlwind, and the Chinese well know it.

[kybkh]

Hilarious to watch news.

First Trump is Russian agent. Now Trump is nuclear terrorist.

He already MAGAing

[kybkh]

You doubt norad will red phone Xi to ask if incoming are nuclear or not?

They only red phone the Russians, the Chinese are a second rate nuclear power, if they go launching a second rate massed ballistic missile raid against US forces in the western Pacific, the only thing they're going to get out of that, is a counterforce strike upside their heads.

Uncle Sam ain't gonna be playin' somebody goes and pulls a stunt like that, a stunt like that, is sowing the whirlwind, and the Chinese well know it.

People tend to forget America has been taking atwill since the fall of the ussr.

China and Russia have been rolling over and taking it until we got up on the DMZ. Only then do they offer nominal pushback.

[Smitty-48]

It's pretty simple, people, just do the math; China starts a limited conventional war with the United States, the United States wins that war going away, the humilation of being soundly whupped by the Americans on the high seas, brings the entire credibility of the regime in Beijing into question, which likely brings that regime down.

The only other option, is that China incites World War Three, at which point, they ain't the Russians, so they get their asses handed to them even more severely, and the regime in Beijing ceases to exist in a nuclear firestorm.

Option one; the Chinese lose and lose badly. Option two; the Chinese die by their own hands.

Obvious bluffing is obvious, folks, don't drink the Domino Theory Kool-Aid.

[kybkh]

The "worst" result of option two is we lose the West Coast.

[Smitty-48]

The "worst" result of option two is we lose the West Coast.

No, not even that, getting up in the saddle on the Russians for a counterforce is deadly serious business, takes a cool hand indeed to shoot from the baffles of Crazy Ivan and his massively redundant deterrent, but the Chinese ain't in Mr. Ivan's league, not even close, counterforcing the Chinese is like taking candy from a fat retarded baby, Terrible Swift Sword would nuclear pants their asses, without even breaking a sweat, the Chinese wouldn't see it coming...

[ssu]

Their best deterrence is to continue to pay for our welfare programs as to keep the giant asleep.

And finance Ivanka's next Hotel and/or golf resort I would say. It will work wonders.



China has just to follow it's agenda and try to reach it's objectives in a slow but methodological way that it doesn't seem to upset the status quo on the short run... to change it on the long run. And the best way to get there is to "fight" the war without there never being a war.

Again, the Americans have the deterrence upper hand by many orders of magnitude, one does not simply sink a US Navy fleet, without inciting World War Three on the spot, a massed ballistic missile raid sinking US carrier strike groups, is the "about to be overrun" tactical nuclear retaliation scenario incarnate, massed ballistic missile raid againt Guam, Okinawa etc, is the strategic launch-on-warning scenario in a nutshell, and as for conventioal air-sea battle in the China Seas, the American win that one hands down, when they sink the entire Chinese Navy by the end of the first week.

You think so?

Again just think if there's a crisis between Japan and China, the US sends a carrier to the region and it gets hit. You really think if a US carrier hits lets say a mine or a missile strikes it, the US goes off to nuke China? Really? Because in true asymmetric warfare way the Chinese could deny it, or even immediately apologize for it. Or claim it was the Japanese.

But nope, you think the US will unleash it's nuclear arsenal. Oh one of the many aircraft carriers got hit so now the US President commences WW3? Yeah, think everybody in the States, especially the opposition party, will be their clapping their hands and saying of course! Now we have to have WW3! Who cares if a few Chinese ICBM's actually make it through, it's definately what we have to do when they hit our carrier.

Because you just assume that something happening in the other side of the World in a murky combat /no-combat situation where there is a conflict between Japan and China, and the US Navy gets a bloody nose, you assume it's going to look like 9/11 and everybody in the US will be going behind the President and he'll go to WW3?

Enter real-world Smitty: What was the retaliaton when this anti-ship missile attack happened against an US warship?

I guess the formal "Oops, sorry, no hard feelings." apology worked.

And the MSM view, not much of warmongering for the US to retaliate, but critique against the Navy and the administration:


And think about the real world tit-for-tat events that all the time happen in the Korean Peninsula. For example, in the below picture of the North Korean artillery attack killed four South Koreans and wounded 19. YET NOPE... it fucking didn't escalate to WW3!!! Not even to just a war between the Koreas.

(North Korean artillery at work at South Korea...yet no war)


I'll use again the same example again: Argentina attacked the UK, a country with a nuclear deterrent, and invaded part of their territory. With your logic this wouldn't have been possible because of course then Britain would have nuked Argentina, right? Adios, Buenos Aires, or what? Well, that didn't happen. Never was on the table. And in the same way to just assume that some limited military clash isn't any kind of possibility because it would, somehow, immediately escalate to WW3 is in my view nonsense.