Poking the Bear Again

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Haumana » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:16 pm

People actually thought that Putin was not subtle or clever? A force to be reckoned with? Really?

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:16 pm

“Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” - Barry Goldwater

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:20 pm

the Neoconservatives were Democrats who flipped to Reagan in 1980

the reason they flipped is that the Democrats were soft on the Soviet Communists

when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Neoconservative coalition broke up

Post Cold War we entered the so called New World Order, and the Neoliberals have ruled ever since

except Trump, who played the Neoconservative card, which was don't start a war you can't win with Russia

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:22 pm

“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” - JFK

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:24 pm

National Review is the very definition of NeoCon: not one of them has ever been in spitting distance of a Democrat.
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:27 pm

so Obama wanted to flip Ukraine with a Neoliberal Velvet Revolution

by Cold War Neoconservative standards that's crazy, that could start World War Three

but whatever, Neoliberals don't believe in World War Three, so Obama went ahead and did it anyways

all he ended up doing was breaking Ukraine, inciting a New Cold War arms race over a trace

the Neoconservatiev position would be, that was a very bad idea

but we are where we are now, so you better be able to back it up with overwhelming power

the problem is that power is spread so thin right now, trying to be all things to all people in every theatre
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:28 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:27 pm
so Obama wanted to flip Ukraine with a Neoliberal Velvet Revolution

by Cold War Neoconservative standards that's crazy, that could start World War Three

but whatever, Neoliberals don't believe in World War Three, so Obama went ahead and did it anyways

all he ended up doing was breaking Ukraine, inciting a New Cold War arms race over a trace

the Neoconservatiev position would be, that was a very bad idea

but we are where we are now, so you better be able to back it up with overwhelming power

the problem is that power is spread so thin right now, trying to be all things to all people in every theatre
Classical liberals are wondering, WTF!
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:29 pm

I’m not a classical liberal; they are more conservative than me.
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:29 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:24 pm
National Review is the very definition of NeoCon: not one of them has ever been in spitting distance of a Democrat.
National Review was founded by William F. Buckley in 1955

there were no Neoconservatives in 1955, the Neoconservatives didn't exist until 1980

when the Reagan Democrats flipped to the GOP
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:31 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:28 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:27 pm
so Obama wanted to flip Ukraine with a Neoliberal Velvet Revolution

by Cold War Neoconservative standards that's crazy, that could start World War Three

but whatever, Neoliberals don't believe in World War Three, so Obama went ahead and did it anyways

all he ended up doing was breaking Ukraine, inciting a New Cold War arms race over a trace

the Neoconservatiev position would be, that was a very bad idea

but we are where we are now, so you better be able to back it up with overwhelming power

the problem is that power is spread so thin right now, trying to be all things to all people in every theatre
Classical liberals are wondering, WTF!
Neoliberalism is not classical, hence the Neo prefix

Neoliberalism is a product of the postmodern New World Order, the End of History
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