The internet takeover thread

[Okeefenokee]

[SuburbanFarmer]

Yes, you are a liar. Look up one post.

Ok, I'll break it down for you in terms that you can understand.

Think about your power company. You have the option to 'purchase power' from a number of different outfits at very similar rates. Theoretically, there is some form of 'competition' for your business, right?

Yet, every one of those "options" is going to transmit the same thing to your house through the same wires. Those wires are owned by whatever power conglomerate controls your region. That's why the prices are so similar. They all have to pay off the conglomerate.

You have a choice between billing companies for the exact same resource.

The Tier 1 companies that own the backbone host all internet traffic. All of it. It doesn't matter if you're paying Comcast, AT&T, or somebody else, you're using the same wires, and the fees go to the same place.

Now notice that I said "cable provider". There is only 1 cable provider on that list. Because they own the cables.

Now, unlike with electricity, you do have 2 other alternatives from coax - DSL and Satellite. Both are incredibly limited, compared to cable in most areas - everywhere in the case of Satellite internet.

You have exactly ONE option to get cable television and internet together. That is not an accident.

If memory serves me DirectTVs satellite internet is satellite for downlink only - you don't own a satellite band transmitter (much less one strong enough to be detected by the satellite). They rely on your local wired infrastructure for "upstream", so still you only technically have two... Copper phone wires or cable.

So where I am it's Frontier (bought from SBC) for the old phone line copper infrastructure and Comcast for cable based infrastructure. Sure, there's a bunch of "3rd party" providers, like there's one many gamers prefer because their peering (whatever that is) is lower latency - but still, those vendors rely on Frontier or Comcast for the (commonly referred to as) "last mile" connectivity. It's a duopoly, you have no other choices for last mile wiring to your home.

Even if I could afford something like a T3/OC3 to my house from say AT&T, the last mile wiring would be done by and maintained by Frontier, the AT&T connection would be peered into Frontier's datacenter 40miles from my house.

Exactly, thank you.

(I didn't want to confuse the kid with satellite uploading)

[SuburbanFarmer]

You're a couple of decades behind the curve.

Competing providers are laying their own fiber everyday, as we speak.

Yes, Google. Good luck getting them to run a branch line to your house.

And what do you suppose is on the other end of that fiber line?

I suppose next you're going to try to tell me that all of the mobile providers all route their traffic through the same towers.

Different transmitters, same destination - almost always positioned on the same physical towers. That's why you're able to communicate with THE FUCKING INTERNET through different 'providers'.

You can drop the expertise act. It's clear you're talking out of your ass.

You're right. I just have this stupid degree in Networking that I printed out from a website. Your knowledge far surpasses mine, due to your owning of a pickup and gun rack and Jezus.

[SuburbanFarmer]

That is actually a good one.

[Okeefenokee]

You're a couple of decades behind the curve.

Competing providers are laying their own fiber everyday, as we speak.

Yes, Google. Good luck getting them to run a branch line to your house.

And what do you suppose is on the other end of that fiber line?

I suppose next you're going to try to tell me that all of the mobile providers all route their traffic through the same towers.

Different transmitters, same destination - almost always positioned on the same physical towers. That's why you're able to communicate with THE FUCKING INTERNET through different 'providers'.

You can drop the expertise act. It's clear you're talking out of your ass.

You're right. I just have this stupid degree in Networking that I printed out from a website. Your knowledge far surpasses mine, due to your owning of a pickup and gun rack and Jezus.

My town already had fiber when I moved here.

Spectrum is currently installing their own competing fiber.

[Speaker to Animals]

He still does not understand the difference between upstream and downstream networks.

This would be like thinking the gas is literally manufactured from thin air at your local shitgo station.

The people who actually serve your bandwidth are middlemen. They control the downstream networks ( all the cables and fiber in your local area), but that is not really the Internet. They also can fuck with your packet data again, and that is a huge problem too, but here I am talking about the people who actually control the Internet itself in America, namely the three companies who own the backbone. That is the fucking internet for all intents and purposes. Comcast and Charter have to negotiate with them to allow your packet data through there.

If those three companies want to take a website off the Internet, it's no big deal. They can run deep inspections on packet data and drop the requests to servers providing infirmation they disagree with.

[Okeefenokee]

And of course the solution is to bring in the people who have spent the past two years calling for internet censorship.

[Speaker to Animals]

Dude, wtf are you even talking about now?

Do you comprehend that the Internet in America is controlled by about three corporations who can discriminate your packet data with impunity now?

Do you fucking understand what I am typing?? Because you don't indicate you comrehend the semantics of that statement.

This has fuck all to do with fiber in your backyard.

[Ph64]

You're a couple of decades behind the curve.

Competing providers are laying their own fiber everyday, as we speak.

Yes, Google. Good luck getting them to run a branch line to your house.

And what do you suppose is on the other end of that fiber line?

I suppose next you're going to try to tell me that all of the mobile providers all route their traffic through the same towers.

Different transmitters, same destination - almost always positioned on the same physical towers. That's why you're able to communicate with THE FUCKING INTERNET through different 'providers'.

You can drop the expertise act. It's clear you're talking out of your ass.

You're right. I just have this stupid degree in Networking that I printed out from a website. Your knowledge far surpasses mine, due to your owning of a pickup and gun rack and Jezus.

Yeah, 30 years in IT networking/sysadmin must not qualify me for anything. Just because I've configured routers, nope, dunno nuttin.

Mobile providers... There's essentially 4: AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile. Those are the vendors that buy/own the actual FCC radio frequency bands - every other "mobile carrier" merely buys time from those 4, so if you're using some other service you're merely piggybacking on one of the big 4 (they buy coverage from one of the big ones in bulk). I haven't kept up as much on mobile tech, but back in the day AT&T was GSM and the other 3 were CDMA, and while the tech has been updated (4g headed to 5g, LTE/EVDO for sprint/verizon/TM, etc) you still have to buy a phone specific to the technology (an AT&T phone will not work on Verison, or vice versa, merely with swapping SIM cards, the underlying radio communication is different).

On the last mile wiring, there are companies rolling out FTTP (fiber to the premises), Verizon most notably. But just like the wire-line local providers you're only going to have one with a monopoly on it for your locale.

To StA's point, there's only a handful of backbone providers as well - it costs a huge amount of money to dig trenches and run fiber across the country from say NYC to Chicago. Only a small number of companies have those kinds of resources. Personally the back 10' of my property is a right of way for AT&T buried fiber (put in back in the 70s I believe), I can't build any permanent structures there and they come through and clear cut it every decade or so. They cut a ditch back there maybe 10 years ago one day, I think pulling new fiber, but other than that it's been undisturbed for my 27 years here. They paid the owner back then for that right of way (as well as my "neighbors" for several miles in each direction - it is not a cheap option for some upstart company to start running fiber accross the country. Just like you probably won't see upstart railroad companies running new track, the land rights would cost dearly up front.

[Haumana]

Look who's next,

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