Vault 7 - Happening

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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by The Conservative » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:02 pm

3knuckleshuffle wrote:I am still confused - what do you mean by "our firewall"? Interesting couple of posts, just can't figure out what that is supposed to mean...

Also, not to get all conspiracy minded, but interesting the Microsoft delayed the release of security patches last month, then this month releases like 7 criticals for RCEs. Probably coincidence, and 7 RCE patches isn't too crazy for one month (although more than average), but timing is interesting.
The US has a firewall of sorts, not like what people say China has, but remember... companies utilize the backbone upon the renting and graces of the government. This backbone has a system that allows data in and out through the backbone unhindered, this is the firewall I am talking about. It's the unseen beast that no one talks about, and what seems to me even few actually know about.

China restricts access to information, etc using the same type of technology, and in many cases legislation to block information. China's firewall is known as the Great Firewall. It's the technology version (and more successful variant of the Great Wall of China.

As for MS... this doesn't amaze me at all. MS is notorious for releasing software with bugs and security holes large enough in some cases to pass a planet through without a problem. When Vista was released, it some major unpatched issues that still are issues today...and the patches they release go back to patching software they have not supported for over 20 years.

The fact that MS got caught with their pants down doesn't amaze me, it isn't the first or last time this will ever happen. It just makes me thankful that I take security seriously and don't trust MS to do the job they promise to do...
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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:10 pm

Last week’s CIA leaks from WikiLeaks revealed that most antivirus programs may have been bypassed at one point or another by the CIA. We’ve asked the antivirus companies about their opinions on the leaks and what they intend to do next.
According to WikiLeaks’ leaked documents, most popular antivirus tools have been bypassed and exploited by the CIA. This fact alone isn’t as surprising as one may initially think, because it’s actually quite common for sophisticated attackers to be able to bypass most popular antivirus programs. That’s how they deliver their malware in the first place.
The real problem may come from the fact that antivirus programs in general aren’t as secure as you might expect them to be. Also, because of their deep hooks into the operating system or browsers, they can sometimes make users even more vulnerable to attacks (at least of the more sophisticated type).
Although 21 antivirus and security solutions vendors were included in a WikiLeaks document describing bypasses against them, WikiLeaks left information about the attacks on only three antivirus vendors: F-Secure, Avira, and AVG (recently purchased by Avast, another antivirus vendor). The organization said it didn’t want to expose information that might endanger actual CIA operations, which may be why the information on most of the others was redacted.
F-Secure
The CIA had the following comment on F-Secure’s antivirus software, implying that F-Secure isn’t all that secure, and that it can be bypassed easily:
"In OSB's experience, F-Secure has generally been a lower tier product that causes us minimal difficulty. The only annoyance we have observed is that F-Secure has an apparent entropy-based heuristic that flags Trojaned applications or other binaries containing encrypted/compressed payloads. Two defeats are known to exist: On involves using RAR file string tables in the resource section, the other involves cloning a RAR file manifest file – the manifest technique also works against Avira's entropy-based heuristics."
"The leaks detail a large amount evasions for basically all the end-point security products.
I think it's a fair game. CIA has targets they are trying to get to, and some of those are protected by products like these. CIA wouldn't be doing their job if they wouldn't be developing techniques like these.
We don't consider this to be a vulnerability as such, as they are not crashing us or exploiting us. Anti-virus products are never perfect; some attacks will always succeed. A superpower intelligence agency with massive budgets can definitely do that.
I much prefer them doing it like this, instead of trying to twist our arm to let them through."
Avira
The CIA doesn’t seem to have a great opinion about Avira either, calling it "easy to evade":
"Avira has historically been a popular product among CT targets, but is typically easy to evade. Similar to F-Secure, Avira has an apparent entropy-based heuristic that flags binaries containing encrypted/compressed payloads, but there are two known defeats."
Avira released a statement to Tom’s Hardware in which it said that the issue was minor and was fixed a few hours after WikiLeaks released the CIA “Vault 7” documents.
AVG (Avast)
In the leaked document, the CIA seemed to say that AVG does catch the agency’s payload, but only well after its execution–and of course by then, it’s too late. That means the CIA could have chained together multiple exploits to disable the antivirus software before it could react.
"AVG catches a payload dropped to disk and launched via link file well after execution (process hollowing)."
AVG denied their anti-virus is vulnerable at all. FISHY!
Comodo
Comodo said that version 10 of the Comodo firewall was released earlier this year, and it shouldn’t be vulnerable to such attacks anymore. That will remain to be seen.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/antivi ... 33893.html

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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by The Conservative » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:15 am

And my paranoia is validated.
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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by C-Mag » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:31 am

Here's a new one.

Today, March 23rd 2017, WikiLeaks releases Vault 7 "Dark Matter", which contains documentation for several CIA projects that infect Apple Mac Computer firmware (meaning the infection persists even if the operating system is re-installed) developed by the CIA's Embedded Development Branch (EDB). These documents explain the techniques used by CIA to gain 'persistence' on Apple Mac devices, including Macs and iPhones and demonstrate their use of EFI/UEFI and firmware malware.

more at the link
https://wikileaks.org/vault7/darkmatter/?cia

You can re-confirm your paranoia TC :)
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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by The Conservative » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:43 am

C-Mag wrote:Here's a new one.

Today, March 23rd 2017, WikiLeaks releases Vault 7 "Dark Matter", which contains documentation for several CIA projects that infect Apple Mac Computer firmware (meaning the infection persists even if the operating system is re-installed) developed by the CIA's Embedded Development Branch (EDB). These documents explain the techniques used by CIA to gain 'persistence' on Apple Mac devices, including Macs and iPhones and demonstrate their use of EFI/UEFI and firmware malware.

more at the link
https://wikileaks.org/vault7/darkmatter/?cia

You can re-confirm your paranoia TC :)
Yeah... and I have to now delve deep into every Mac here that has left the US to verify that nothing has been tampered with... grrr...

I swear if I find anything I'm going to loose my shit.
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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:45 am

The Conservative wrote:
C-Mag wrote:Here's a new one.

Today, March 23rd 2017, WikiLeaks releases Vault 7 "Dark Matter", which contains documentation for several CIA projects that infect Apple Mac Computer firmware (meaning the infection persists even if the operating system is re-installed) developed by the CIA's Embedded Development Branch (EDB). These documents explain the techniques used by CIA to gain 'persistence' on Apple Mac devices, including Macs and iPhones and demonstrate their use of EFI/UEFI and firmware malware.

more at the link
https://wikileaks.org/vault7/darkmatter/?cia

You can re-confirm your paranoia TC :)
Yeah... and I have to now delve deep into every Mac here that has left the US to verify that nothing has been tampered with... grrr...

I swear if I find anything I'm going to loose my shit.
Why on earth would it matter if they've left the US? That shit is probably written into the factory-default files. You can't stop Uncle Sam from "protecting" you, no matter what.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by The Conservative » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:57 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
C-Mag wrote:Here's a new one.

Today, March 23rd 2017, WikiLeaks releases Vault 7 "Dark Matter", which contains documentation for several CIA projects that infect Apple Mac Computer firmware (meaning the infection persists even if the operating system is re-installed) developed by the CIA's Embedded Development Branch (EDB). These documents explain the techniques used by CIA to gain 'persistence' on Apple Mac devices, including Macs and iPhones and demonstrate their use of EFI/UEFI and firmware malware.

more at the link
https://wikileaks.org/vault7/darkmatter/?cia

You can re-confirm your paranoia TC :)
Yeah... and I have to now delve deep into every Mac here that has left the US to verify that nothing has been tampered with... grrr...

I swear if I find anything I'm going to loose my shit.
Why on earth would it matter if they've left the US? That shit is probably written into the factory-default files. You can't stop Uncle Sam from "protecting" you, no matter what.
Serious? My company deals with Saudi Arabia, the Arab Emirates, Qatar and a few royalty over there too, as well as Austrailia,

Why wouldn't they?
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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:11 am

The Conservative wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
Yeah... and I have to now delve deep into every Mac here that has left the US to verify that nothing has been tampered with... grrr...

I swear if I find anything I'm going to loose my shit.
Why on earth would it matter if they've left the US? That shit is probably written into the factory-default files. You can't stop Uncle Sam from "protecting" you, no matter what.
Serious? My company deals with Saudi Arabia, the Arab Emirates, Qatar and a few royalty over there too, as well as Austrailia,

Why wouldn't they?
No, silly, I'm referring to their spy programs. They're probably written into the factory-default firmware at this point. No matter what you do, they're going to be watching.

I'm sure that other countries are doing the same - there might be a dozen national spy agencies watching you. Completely unstoppable, now.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:14 am

What he's saying is that if they are doing it here other countries can do it too.

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Re: Vault 7 - Happening

Post by 3knuckleshuffle » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:16 am

The Conservative wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
The Conservative wrote:
Yeah... and I have to now delve deep into every Mac here that has left the US to verify that nothing has been tampered with... grrr...

I swear if I find anything I'm going to loose my shit.
Why on earth would it matter if they've left the US? That shit is probably written into the factory-default files. You can't stop Uncle Sam from "protecting" you, no matter what.
Serious? My company deals with Saudi Arabia, the Arab Emirates, Qatar and a few royalty over there too, as well as Austrailia,

Why wouldn't they?
If it is built into the firmware, not much you can do anyway. Unless you are somehow going to write your own firmware...looks like you (and everyone else with a Mac) are screwed.