Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Montegriffo]

Did you even read the link I offered up? Guns are already being used in a country where they are not supposed to be...

In very small numbers. Do you really think more easily available firearms, ammo and explosives is going to keep those numbers tiny?

[The Conservative]

Did you even read the link I offered up? Guns are already being used in a country where they are not supposed to be...

In very small numbers. Do you really think more easily available firearms, ammo and explosives is going to keep those numbers tiny?

Do you even Logic?

What part of criminals do you not understand?

[BjornP]

Bjorn just posted what some of us have been saying for a while now as if he just thought of it.

Nope. For several years I have posted to those who just blame the guns, that the cultural aspect is the more likely culprit behind the rise of murder in the US. I kinda agreed with the sort of beliefs Monte had... eight years ago, when I first joined the DCF and it got debated out of me.

Guns make killing people very easy, it's their job after all. If British gangs were armed with guns rather than acid and knives it's not a great stretch to imagine our murder rates would be higher than they are now.

Well, they can make killing more easy, but the will , the motivation, is what matters. Guns aren't magical. They don't mind control people to make them want to kill people.

[Fife]

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. -- RAH

[Montegriffo]

Nope. For several years I have posted to those who just blame the guns, that the cultural aspect is the more likely culprit behind the rise of murder in the US. I kinda agreed with the sort of beliefs Monte had... eight years ago, when I first joined the DCF and it got debated out of me.

Guns make killing people very easy, it's their job after all. If British gangs were armed with guns rather than acid and knives it's not a great stretch to imagine our murder rates would be higher than they are now.

Well, they can make killing more easy, but the will , the motivation, is what matters. Guns aren't magical. They don't mind control people to make them want to kill people.

Sure, but making it easier inevitably makes it more common. Lets say the London bridge attackers had guns instead of knives, it seems to me that more people would have died that day.
So if you are motivated to kill then a more efficient weapon would mean you could kill more people. I can't see any other logical conclusion.

[Montegriffo]

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. -- RAH

So a society where something you say or do may get you shot is more polite? Excuse me but I would consider shooting someone for bad manners rather impolite.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's more polite by definition. The impolite have to go.

[The Conservative]

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. -- RAH

So a society where something you say or do may get you shot is more polite? Excuse me but I would consider shooting someone for bad manners rather impolite.

When you don't know who is going to pull a gun on you when you do makes it less likely you are going to.

Civility is a matter of perception.

[Montegriffo]

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. -- RAH

So a society where something you say or do may get you shot is more polite? Excuse me but I would consider shooting someone for bad manners rather impolite.

When you don't know who is going to pull a gun on you when you do makes it less likely you are going to.

Civility is a matter of perception.

Sounds more like living in fear to me.

[TheReal_ND]

that easy access to firearms and ammo ensures that all the bad guys have them

Gun control legislation ensure only bad guys have them.

We aren't on an island.

Well obviously it would be pretty pointless trying to remove handguns from the US. Nobody has any idea how many are in circulation and you don't even register them. Stopping all new sales of semi autos may be possible and it would price the existing ones out of many peoples range but that's pretty unlikely to happen either.
Britain on the other hand has very few guns in circulation and tough controls on registration and storage. Most people want it to stay that way. In our case gun legislation does keep them out of the hands of bad guys.
This being the Euro bashing thread I don't really want to turn it into another row about US gun control though.
All I really care about is dismissing the ridiculous claims, from people who have never even been to the UK, that our society is near collapse and that we are only days away from an Islamic caliphate.

You're not fooling anyone Achmedagriffo.