And another one bites the dust...

[Martin Hash]

MGTOW is standing up.
The Alt-Right is standing up.
Just because the MSM won't recognize them, villainize their efforts in fact, doesn't mean there aren't people standing up. Hell, there's a whole group of "Men's Rights" women.

[heydaralon]

MGTOW is standing up.
The Alt-Right is standing up.
Just because the MSM won't recognize them, villainize their efforts in fact, doesn't mean there aren't people standing up. Hell, there's a whole group of "Men's Rights" women.

How were you able to take that picture in your avatar? With a drone?

[Speaker to Animals]

The fact that no man in recent memory has stepped up to lead such a change suggests that there is no will in the male population to do so.

Paul Elam

Warren Farrell

Just to name two off the top of my head.

[ooky]

Without a complainant, there can be no charges. Let’s not be myopic to the role men play in establishing cultural attitudes about unwanted touching.

When men file reports for this type of thing, the police often laugh in their faces. Also, men tend to get charged with crimes for their own rape and sexual assault. It's the same with domestic violence: an abused man is more likely than not to be arrested for his own abuse when the woman makes a counter-charge.

Let's not be myopic about the role gynocentrism and a discriminatory police and criminal justice system plays in this either.

Arguments like this are why, although I'm not glad about any of this, I was (within this awful framework) happy that the people accusing Keven Spacey and George Takei were men. And even more interesting is Terry Crew's report, which should be taken MUCH more seriously than it has been.

Terry Crews is a hulk of a man, standing at 6 feet 3 inches tall and weighing in at 240 pounds. He was a linebacker in the National Football League in the early 1990s, who parlayed his sparkling personality and comic talent into a successful acting career.
...
As intimidating, famous and beloved as the actor is, he wants everyone to know that even he felt afraid to come forward with his own story of being sexually harassed last year by a powerful man in Hollywood.

He didn’t want to be “ostracized,” he says. He was a mid-level actor and his alleged assailant was a powerful Hollywood agent with the capacity to potentially squash his career. Crews also didn’t think many people would believe him, he said on Twitter.

That sounds like what most women report about why they are only choosing now to come out, and again I believe it. Historically, the career that gets ruined when you complain about this stuff against people more powerful than you is that the complainer ends up the ultimate loser. And this man could have crushed this guy, but didn't:

Crews said his first instinct was to fight the person. "I was going to kick his a** right then -- but I thought twice about how the whole thing would appear," he wrote. "'Two-Hundred-and-Forty Pound Black Man Stomps Out Hollywood Honcho' would be the headline the next day. Only I probably wouldn’t have been able to read it because I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL. So we left."

Let's also remember that there is a spectrum here. I think the touching in your picture IS gross and inappropriate and should be condemned by men and women, but it's not on the level of a genital grab or a genital exposure in public and/or the workplace, forcing a kiss on someone against their wishes, bringing them into your office to ask if you can masturbate in front of them, give them a dildo at work and then tell them how you want to use it on them, or to show them your penis and then lock a door with a special button installed under your desk. It's not the same as molesting a 14 year old child, violent sexual assault, or rape.

No one who files a report like this should be laughed at. Creeps shouldn't have to be tolerated and appeased no matter the gender.

[Speaker to Animals]

Ooky, all the shit women are bitching about right now has happened to me by women and I presume quite a lot of other male members of this forum. Get off your pedestal. This behavior is not gendered. Women do it too.

We don't have the luxury of gynocentrism and hypoagency to create a moral panic. If we complain, people just laugh at and mock us. Think about that for a while.

[ooky]

Ooky, all the shit women are bitching about right now has happened to me by women and I presume quite a lot of other male members of this forum. Get off your pedestal. This behavior is not gendered. Women do it too.

We don't have the luxury of gynocentrism and hypoagency to create a moral panic. If we complain, people just laugh at and mock us. Think about that for a while.

Huh. what part about this told you that my point was I think creep behavior is strictly gendered? My discussion of all the men who are reporting themselves as victims (who have NOT been laughed at or mocked), or my statement that "Creeps shouldn't have to be tolerated and appeased no matter the gender".

And I read your post about having women grab you and wake you up trying to have sex with you at a party, etc. Those things have happened to many (most?) women I know too, and if you didn't like what was happening, that sucks and is wrong. I've never done any of those things to a guy, and I presume you've never done them to a woman. I am teaching my daughter not to act like a terrible human being in these ways, just as I would if I had a son.

What I don't see that you said happened to you is the majority of what "all the shit women are bitching about" - being harassed and assaulted and bothered at work by people at work, usually in positions of power over them, or child molestation, or straight up rape.

[ooky]

For anyone who thinks they will now have no idea how to work with women because we are all scary bombs waiting to go off and falsely accuse you for innocent behavior:

The Rock Test: A Hack for Men Who Don’t Want To Be Accused of Sexual Harassment

This life hack will have you treating women like people in no time.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Problem:

I am very sexually aggressive with The Rock.

[clubgop]

Problem:

I am very sexually aggressive with The Rock.

Yeah, not sexual but if I am shaking the Rock's hand I am bringing it. I would break the poor girls hand.

[Smitty-48]

I don't find Dwayne Johnson to be intimidating, I'm quite confident that could kill him with my bare hands, wrestling is show biz, not unarmed combat.

He'd be screaming like a little girl, after I gouged the eyeballs out of his head.