Civil War Doomsday Clock

[The Conservative]

Monte, are you just playing Devil's Advocate at this point?

Mandated lunches for fuck's sake?

No, he's not playing Devil's Advocate... he's playing the asshole card.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Captains Autismo aside, I obviously disagree with banning bagged lunches.

[Montegriffo]

Monte, are you just playing Devil's Advocate at this point?

Mandated lunches for fuck's sake?

Nope, just being misrepresented as usual.
As I said to Bjorn, I never supported that. I said packed lunches shouldn't have cooked meats without refrigeration and that nuts and fruit were good. Or biscuits and soda whatever.

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[Speaker to Animals]

Bear with me here.. it's almost like there needs to be an invention that is basically a kind of cold pack that you freeze overnight in your freezer, and then load into the lunchbox in the morning. Then that cold pack keeps the contents of the lunchbox at refrigerator temperatures at least until lunchtime.

Fife, should we patent this idea??

[Montegriffo]

Bear with me here.. it's almost like there needs to be an invention that is basically a kind of cold pack that you freeze overnight in your freezer, and then load into the lunchbox in the morning. Then that cold pack keeps the contents of the lunchbox at refrigerator temperatures at least until lunchtime.

Fife, should we patent this idea??

Yep, that would work but not to fridge temps.
Bet that turkey sandwich didn't have an icepack on it though.

[Speaker to Animals]

Bear with me here.. it's almost like there needs to be an invention that is basically a kind of cold pack that you freeze overnight in your freezer, and then load into the lunchbox in the morning. Then that cold pack keeps the contents of the lunchbox at refrigerator temperatures at least until lunchtime.

Fife, should we patent this idea??

Yep, that would work but not to fridge temps.
Bet that turkey sandwich didn't have an icepack on it though.

Yes, it will keep your turkey sandwich at fridge temps.

Keeping Cold Lunches Cold
Prepare cooked food, such as turkey, ham, chicken, and vegetable or pasta salads, ahead of time to allow for thorough chilling in the refrigerator [40 °F (4.4 °C) or below]. Divide large amounts of food into shallow containers for fast chilling. Keep cooked food refrigerated until time to leave home.

To keep lunches cold away from home, include at least two cold sources. You can use two frozen gel packs (not smaller than 5x3-inches each) or combine a frozen gel pack with a frozen juice box or frozen bottle of water. Freeze gel packs overnight. When packing your bag lunch, place them on top and bottom of the perishable food items to keep them cold. Of course, if there's a refrigerator available at work or school, store perishable items there upon arrival. If you place your insulated bag in the refrigerator, leave the lid or bag open so that cold air can keep the food cold.

Some food is safe without a cold source. Items that don't require refrigeration include whole fruits and vegetables, hard cheese, canned meat and fish, chips, breads, crackers, peanut butter, jelly, mustard, and pickles.

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fs ... ct_index#5

[Montegriffo]

So the turkey sandwich, that was confiscated and replaced with chicken nuggets, had been prepared the night before and then taken to school wrapped in frozen gel packs had it?
In that case I would happily agree that this is massive government overreach.
Since it was a health and safety official that took it though, I strongly suspect he just stuck a temperature probe in it and got an unsafe reading. At that point, he would be failing to do his job if he didn't take it away from the child.
If the school canteen had served a sandwich at unsafe temperatures they would likely have received a fine and had all sandwiches removed from sale until safer practices had been implemented.

[Speaker to Animals]

Let me frame this in a way that even a child should understand:

What pissed off the commissars in the government schools was that parents were opting out of the state's cafeteria revenue stream. If, like school tuition, parents were forced to pay for school lunches and, if they so chose to feed their children decent food from home, they had to pay for their own food separately even though their kids did not consume the state slop, the commissars would not be upset in the slightest. They still get their money. That's all that matters.

The fact that parents are sending kids to real schools outside the government school district does not bother the state employees at all because the government school prisons still get their sweet tuition dollars whether parents pay for a SECOND TUITION PAYMENT or not. The school lunches were opt-in, and the best way to put quotes around "opt-in" was to ban most forms of home lunches.

Get back to me when you actually grok what the fuck we are talking about. Thanks.

[Montegriffo]

So now it's dialled back to ''ban most forms of home lunch''?
Do you happen to have a link to the criteria?
'Cos, if they are just banning high-risk foods which aren't properly temperature controlled you are just going off on another paranoid rant about public employees and putting children at risk of food poisoning.

[Speaker to Animals]

Dialed back?

I said, get back to me when you grok what the fuck was presented to you. You failed.

Fucking read this and respond to it, not quibble with stupid shit. For fuck sake stop wasting our time if you are going to do that.

Let me frame this in a way that even a child should understand:

What pissed off the commissars in the government schools was that parents were opting out of the state's cafeteria revenue stream. If, like school tuition, parents were forced to pay for school lunches and, if they so chose to feed their children decent food from home, they had to pay for their own food separately even though their kids did not consume the state slop, the commissars would not be upset in the slightest. They still get their money. That's all that matters.

The fact that parents are sending kids to real schools outside the government school district does not bother the state employees at all because the government school prisons still get their sweet tuition dollars whether parents pay for a SECOND TUITION PAYMENT or not. The school lunches were opt-in, and the best way to put quotes around "opt-in" was to ban most forms of home lunches.

Get back to me when you actually grok what the fuck we are talking about. Thanks.