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Re: It's Happening.

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:36 pm

I really wish we could transition to more community-based programs where we provide for one another and ourselves at the same time. The mistake is in expecting daddy government to fix our communities' problems instead of just doing it ourselves.

There is no easy way to undo this either. No easy solutions.

I am less concerned with what the 1% are doing than my concern for how my own community is disintegrating.

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Re: It's Happening.

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:37 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:I really wish we could transition to more community-based programs where we provide for one another and ourselves at the same time. The mistake is in expecting daddy government to fix our communities' problems instead of just doing it ourselves.

There is no easy way to undo this either. No easy solutions.

I am less concerned with what the 1% are doing than my concern for how my own community is disintegrating.
I think we're going to be doing a lot of this in the near future. Wackos do neighborhood security, family men farm/gather food, women work together to raise kids. Small tribes are the natural state of humanity.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: It's Happening.

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:38 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:I really wish we could transition to more community-based programs where we provide for one another and ourselves at the same time. The mistake is in expecting daddy government to fix our communities' problems instead of just doing it ourselves.

There is no easy way to undo this either. No easy solutions.

I am less concerned with what the 1% are doing than my concern for how my own community is disintegrating.
Dude, you're a Royalist. What about all the people, a lot of us, who are NOT Royalists? Liberty doesn't mean you get to have a king when I don't want one.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by DBTrek » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:01 pm

Martin Hash wrote: The definitions are getting confussed.
1% income.
1% worldwide.
1% wealth

Let's say this discussion is 1% wealth in the U.S.
Ok ... then how static is that 1% as you choose to define them? How many of today’s 1%ers were 1%ers a year ago? Five years ago?

Or - for the lazy who want a quicker demonstration of my point:
Over 71% of the Forbes wealthiest 400 fell from the list between 1982 and 2014.
https://www.cato.org/blog/high-turnover ... ricas-rich

So this idea that there’s some unassailable, 1%er overlord class that perches on wealth and deprives good citizens of their “fair share” is a myth. Over 50% of us will be 1%ers (for income) at least one year of our lives. Only 29% of the wealthiest Americans can maintain their position for 32 years.

So who are we fighting again, and for what?

Some people win really, really big under our system. And among them the vast majority can’t maintain it.
Is that really a problem?
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by jediuser598 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:08 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:I really wish we could transition to more community-based programs where we provide for one another and ourselves at the same time. The mistake is in expecting daddy government to fix our communities' problems instead of just doing it ourselves.

There is no easy way to undo this either. No easy solutions.

I am less concerned with what the 1% are doing than my concern for how my own community is disintegrating.
Going to give a personal example as to why I think our communities are disintegrating, and we're increasingly becoming isolated.

When I started this new job, the coffee machine in the break room was defunct. Someone had tried cleaning it out with vinegar, but as most of you know, Bunn coffee machines have a reservoir, so they filled it up with vinegar to try and clean it, ran some water through it once, and then it came out as vinegar so they gave up. (they left the vinegar in the reservoir).

I got some vinegar, ran it through, then ran water through it about 10 times, until I could drink the water without it tasting horrible or being green (it was literally green on the first time through). That's fixed. Next problem, we have no coffee.

I ask around, where do we usually get coffee? Do people buy their own or can we store use it? Well Bulk department usually lets us use the stuff customers leave behind. Great! That's like $7 a lb coffee. Sure we don't get to choose the flavors, or much of anything else about it, but that's good coffee. So I go to bulk, and it took a bit of convincing, convincing them that I'm not indeed stealing the coffee that they're giving me that I'm solely just using it for the break room, just to make coffee for people. They eventually agree. That problem solved.

Next problem, we have no cups, no stirrers, no sugar, no creamer.

Find out we can pull the stirrers and cups right off the shelf as long as we log it, good, but sugar and creamer are a tougher issue. Well, if a customer breaks open a bag of store brand sugar or creamer, I can store use it, with sugar that's fine (I now have a cache of sugar, coffee, cups, and stirrers for the break room) but creamer never really breaks. They're in decent containers and even if they did, I don't often know about it because people will just scan it then throw it away. But people need creamer, so when we run out, I just buy it.

So, now I'm known as the guy who makes coffee. Why? Because coffee is good. Because more people should have good things. And that's it.

But then I get blowback sometimes, "Well why's he doing it? Does he want people to like him? What does he want in return?" - the average American.

They have a hard time understanding that sometimes, everything isn't a 0 sum game.

Why are we increasingly isolated and our communities disintegrating? Because most people are only out there for themselves, so much so that they don't understand a simple thing like free coffee, it doesn't compute. That person must want something from them. And that's the current reality we live in.

But no matter how shit my fellow employees are to me, or say my boss has a bad day and takes it out on me, or I have a bad day, people should still have good coffee.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by C-Mag » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:10 pm

I am bit confused here Hash.

For months you have told me that you will revered and fawned over if you have money, accomplishments don't matter.

But you are also telling me to hate the 1% ?
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:12 pm

Good initiative on your part, Jedi.

To answer your question though -
We're conditioned this way. We've been fucked over and betrayed by every institution in America, for money and power. It should not be surprising to see that reflected in the society. People under totalitarian/abusive regimes become abusive.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Post by DBTrek » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:15 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Good initiative on your part, Jedi.

To answer your question though -
We're conditioned this way. We've been fucked over and betrayed by every institution in America, for money and power. It should not be surprising to see that reflected in the society. People under totalitarian/abusive regimes become abusive.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by jediuser598 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Good initiative on your part, Jedi.

To answer your question though -
We're conditioned this way. We've been fucked over and betrayed by every institution in America, for money and power. It should not be surprising to see that reflected in the society. People under totalitarian/abusive regimes become abusive.
To a large extent, we define our normal. Sure we can't decide certain things like the state of the economy or global politics, but how we treat our fellow man? Yeah we define that. That you know that's how you're condition means you recognize that, and most people don't recognize their conditioning, so that means you can also go against that conditioning and just choose not to follow it.

How's doing something like what I've done above (and continue to do) going to hurt the world? What's the literal downside to it besides that hey, I may have to show up early to work every day to make sure everything is sorted and that people get their coffee. That's the only cost. It's a literal net gain for everyone.
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Re: It's Happening.

Post by C-Mag » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:20 pm

jediuser598 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:I really wish we could transition to more community-based programs where we provide for one another and ourselves at the same time. The mistake is in expecting daddy government to fix our communities' problems instead of just doing it ourselves.

There is no easy way to undo this either. No easy solutions.

I am less concerned with what the 1% are doing than my concern for how my own community is disintegrating.
Going to give a personal example as to why I think our communities are disintegrating, and we're increasingly becoming isolated.

When I started this new job, the coffee machine in the break room was defunct. Someone had tried cleaning it out with vinegar, but as most of you know, Bunn coffee machines have a reservoir, so they filled it up with vinegar to try and clean it, ran some water through it once, and then it came out as vinegar so they gave up. (they left the vinegar in the reservoir).

I got some vinegar, ran it through, then ran water through it about 10 times, until I could drink the water without it tasting horrible or being green (it was literally green on the first time through). That's fixed. Next problem, we have no coffee.

I ask around, where do we usually get coffee? Do people buy their own or can we store use it? Well Bulk department usually lets us use the stuff customers leave behind. Great! That's like $7 a lb coffee. Sure we don't get to choose the flavors, or much of anything else about it, but that's good coffee. So I go to bulk, and it took a bit of convincing, convincing them that I'm not indeed stealing the coffee that they're giving me that I'm solely just using it for the break room, just to make coffee for people. They eventually agree. That problem solved.

Next problem, we have no cups, no stirrers, no sugar, no creamer.

Find out we can pull the stirrers and cups right off the shelf as long as we log it, good, but sugar and creamer are a tougher issue. Well, if a customer breaks open a bag of store brand sugar or creamer, I can store use it, with sugar that's fine (I now have a cache of sugar, coffee, cups, and stirrers for the break room) but creamer never really breaks. They're in decent containers and even if they did, I don't often know about it because people will just scan it then throw it away. But people need creamer, so when we run out, I just buy it.

So, now I'm known as the guy who makes coffee. Why? Because coffee is good. Because more people should have good things. And that's it.

But then I get blowback sometimes, "Well why's he doing it? Does he want people to like him? What does he want in return?" - the average American.

They have a hard time understanding that sometimes, everything isn't a 0 sum game.

Why are we increasingly isolated and our communities disintegrating? Because most people are only out there for themselves, so much so that they don't understand a simple thing like free coffee, it doesn't compute. That person must want something from them. And that's the current reality we live in.

But no matter how shit my fellow employees are to me, or say my boss has a bad day and takes it out on me, or I have a bad day, people should still have good coffee.
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Here's what is going on jedi.

Political leadership has creeped out of Washington DC and infected most of our country. Political Leadership is all people know. The do not understand Dynamic Leadership.

Getting the Coffee made is a great example of Dynamic Leadership, it's recognizing a problem or potential improvement and just getting it done. Dynamic Leaderships key feature is a focus on productivity.

Political Leaderships key feature is the control of information and focusing production on advancement. The rest of your peers are looking at this thinking, what does Jedi know that I don't. Why go to all that effort just for coffee. Is Jedi getting promoted over me ?
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