The Right and the Left need each other - debate

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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:32 pm

Oh please. Enough virtue signaling, already.

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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:34 pm

Amen. Seriously. The polarization is the biggest danger of the current political and social climate. When the pendulum of power balance becomes a wrecking ball, that's a recipe for disaster.
No that's the best part. Eventually the left will be smashed even greater than this time.

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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by nickle7 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:44 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Oh please. Enough virtue signaling, already.
Ok, take out the "amen. Seriously" part... Better?
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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:45 pm

nickle7 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Oh please. Enough virtue signaling, already.
Ok, take out the "amen. Seriously" part... Better?

No how about you and Bjorn stop playing the virtue signaling game and form some real arguments.

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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:46 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Amen. Seriously. The polarization is the biggest danger of the current political and social climate. When the pendulum of power balance becomes a wrecking ball, that's a recipe for disaster.
No that's the best part. Eventually the left will be smashed even greater than this time.
Wrecking ball favours the Right inherently, who knew?
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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by nickle7 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:49 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:
Amen. Seriously. The polarization is the biggest danger of the current political and social climate. When the pendulum of power balance becomes a wrecking ball, that's a recipe for disaster.
No that's the best part. Eventually the left will be smashed even greater than this time.
No it sucks because the quality of debate as a result is incredibly stupid and non-ideological, nonintellectual, filled with slander and misrepresentation of viewpoints. Nothing is helpful about this. It's amusing and entertaining at best, but also antithetical to any meaningful and constructive progress.
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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:52 pm

nickle7 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:
Amen. Seriously. The polarization is the biggest danger of the current political and social climate. When the pendulum of power balance becomes a wrecking ball, that's a recipe for disaster.
No that's the best part. Eventually the left will be smashed even greater than this time.
No it sucks because the quality of debate as a result is incredibly stupid and non-ideological, nonintellectual, filled with slander and misrepresentation of viewpoints. Nothing is helpful about this. It's amusing and entertaining at best, but also antithetical to any meaningful and constructive progress.
As opposed to what? The mythical America that never was? If you're not confortable with the American Hurly Burly, you'll probably have to move to Canada, mind you, we can be pretty underhanded as well when the elections are on the line, we just don't have elections without end, so you only have put up with it for a month or so every few years.
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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:54 pm

nickle7 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:
Amen. Seriously. The polarization is the biggest danger of the current political and social climate. When the pendulum of power balance becomes a wrecking ball, that's a recipe for disaster.
No that's the best part. Eventually the left will be smashed even greater than this time.
No it sucks because the quality of debate as a result is incredibly stupid and non-ideological, nonintellectual, filled with slander and misrepresentation of viewpoints. Nothing is helpful about this. It's amusing and entertaining at best, but also antithetical to any meaningful and constructive progress.
But you are so much more enlightened than everybody else who takes sides, amiright?

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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by nickle7 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:21 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
nickle7 wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:
No that's the best part. Eventually the left will be smashed even greater than this time.
No it sucks because the quality of debate as a result is incredibly stupid and non-ideological, nonintellectual, filled with slander and misrepresentation of viewpoints. Nothing is helpful about this. It's amusing and entertaining at best, but also antithetical to any meaningful and constructive progress.
As opposed to what? The mythical America that never was? If you're not confortable with the American Hurly Burly, you'll probably have to move to Canada, mind you, we can be pretty underhanded as well when the elections are on the line, we just don't have elections without end, so you only have put up with it for a month or so every few years.
As opposed to the type of dialogue and ideas Dan puts out. Like Dave Rubin puts out. Like Sam Harris puts out. The list goes on. Moving to Canada doesn't solve anything. I'm having this dialogue because I'd like more civility injected into our national dialogue. I'm not saying kumbaya. We need ruthless debate, but it better be logical. Mudslinging gets no one anywhere.
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Re: The Right and the Left need each other - debate

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:22 pm

BjornP wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:Well of course I am aware that Dr. Kneedipper doesn't have the courage of his convictions, that is in fact what differentiates a Champers Bolshie from the real deal, but I do him the honour of not crushing every last ounce of his street cred by calling him a "Liberal", as in Canada, that is a loaded term, he is my homey from the 6ix after all, so I still allow him the refuge of his Rump Party fallacy, as while I am a cruel man, I'm still a homey from the 6ix till I die. <gang sign>

The essence of Cultural Marxism, is essentially alienation from the American Hegenomy, but there's no actual class struggle economic underpinings to it anymore, as we are all well aware. The Cultural Marxists are all bourgeois middle class pampered dillettantes, to be sure.
Ah, right. That old assumption of yours that you're not the "real deal" or have "the courage of your convictions" if you're not either a 0 or a 10 on some Left-Right wing political scale. I prefer to live in the real world, where not only more political philosophies exist than hardcore Marxist and hardcore Conservative, but also where most people really don't give a fuck about mixing political ideas up a little. People are what they are. A Social Democrat isn't a "failed Stalinist", anymore that a Tea Party Republican is a "failed".... I dunno "neo-Confederate rebel" or whatever stereotype fits them best.
Good eye, Bjorn. Allow me to assist.

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