THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Okeefenokee]

[Smitty-48]

Well, I ain't paying for the Wall to Nowhere, so not my problem, but like I said, Trump did get my pipeline approved and fastracked, so he's still in my good books as of now. Canada FIrst!

I wouldn't spend the money on a wall, I think you have more threat coming right through the border crossings themselves, so I would spend the money on Border Harbours, where you could process things in a more controlled manner, without slowing things down. And more troops, more troops, more troops; more troops manning the Border Harbours, more troops on patrol along the border itself.

I would still use fence lines to funnel people, but I wouldn't blow billions on a giant concrete wall, it's not like you are trying to stop giant battering rams and siege engines, so I don't see why it has to be a wall.

[Okeefenokee]

[jbird4049]

...which creates more starving, frightened people trying to get in here. This should end up wonderful. Absolutely the best. What can go wrong? Believe me.

I think it might even out, because the tariffs would drive the Peso down, so they'd be poorer in real terms, but at the same time, they still have very high unemployment, lots of people hanging around Monterrey looking for work, so if the Mexican Peso went down, that would shift even more jobs to Mexico, they would probably be taking work from China at that point, so could even out in the end, Peso's worth less, but more Mexicans having jobs which at least paid some Peso's. I think they'd probably take that, as things are right now.

It's not like they actually buy the products they make, so a lower Peso is not going to impact them that much, better to be working, so they can feed their kids, it's not like they are saving up to buy Air Jordan's.

.....how are those jobs going to Mexico, exactly? In this hypothetical, there's a 20% import tax/tariff on the goods coming here for sale. Those jobs will be going to El Salvador or Zimbabwe or some other hellhole, to exploit other people.

I'm just saying, in general, tariffs against Mexico are counterproductive, I'm not in favour of tariffs, but if you are going to tariff, tariffs against Germany makes more sense; high currency, high end products, and it wouldn't cause more offshoring, whereas a tariff against Mexico, would backfire and cause the opposite of the stated desired effect, that would drive the Peso down against the Dollar, causing more offshoring not less.

Nevermind, it looks like we're on the same page.

Partly why México is worse than usual is because NAFTA removed its agricultural trade barriers, which allowed all that cheap Federally subsidized American corn grown on large farms to destroy all the smaller single family farms growing unsubsidized corn. So all those small farms supporting families, but also all the families that had small stores to supply the farmers, and which also supported the small towns/villages. No farming income meant no store income meant no taxbase. So all the workers moved into the cities, or into America.

But American Big Agribusiness growing, and selling, all that cheap corn with the help of farm subsidies did just fabulous.

So Mexicans, who probably want to back home with family, are here causing us problems because their farms/stores no longer can support them because of a trade agreement negotiated by our government which allowed American crops subsidized by our government to destroy their livelihood.

[jbird4049]

...which creates more starving, frightened people trying to get in here. This should end up wonderful. Absolutely the best. What can go wrong? Believe me.

I think it might even out, because the tariffs would drive the Peso down, so they'd be poorer in real terms, but at the same time, they still have very high unemployment, lots of people hanging around Monterrey looking for work, so if the Mexican Peso went down, that would shift even more jobs to Mexico, they would probably be taking work from China at that point, so could even out in the end, Peso's worth less, but more Mexicans having jobs which at least paid some Peso's. I think they'd probably take that, as things are right now.

It's not like they actually buy the products they make, so a lower Peso is not going to impact them that much, better to be working, so they can feed their kids, it's not like they are saving up to buy Air Jordan's.

.....how are those jobs going to Mexico, exactly? In this hypothetical, there's a 20% import tax/tariff on the goods coming here for sale. Those jobs will be going to El Salvador or Zimbabwe or some other hellhole, to exploit other people.

I'm just saying, in general, tariffs against Mexico are counterproductive, I'm not in favour of tariffs, but if you are going to tariff, tariffs against Germany makes more sense; high currency, high end products, and it wouldn't cause more offshoring, whereas a tariff against Mexico, would backfire and cause the opposite of the stated desired effect, that would drive the Peso down against the Dollar, causing more offshoring not less.

Nevermind, it looks like we're on the same page.

Partly why México is worse than usual is because NAFTA removed its agricultural trade barriers, which allowed all that cheap Federally subsidized American corn grown on large farms to destroy all the smaller single family farms growing unsubsidized corn. So all those small farms supporting families, but also all the families that had small stores to supply the farmers, and which also supported the small towns/villages. No farming income meant no store income meant no taxbase. So all the workers moved into the cities, or into America.

But American Big Agribusiness growing, and selling, all that cheap corn with the help of farm subsidies did just fabulous.

So Mexicans, who probably want to back home with family, are here causing us problems because their farms/stores no longer can support them because of a trade agreement negotiated by our government which allowed American crops subsidized by our government to destroy their livelihood.

[Smitty-48]

Loves me some American agribusiness, I hate Canadian supply management, give me those subsidized American agricultural products any day of the week, that's a direct wealth transfer from the American taxpayer right into my pocket.

[K@th]

America first indeed. We'll see Smitty.

[Smitty-48]

No, Canada first, which, as a Canadian; loves me some subsidized American products, you pay the subsidy, I get the product cheaper; woot-woot.

See, ya'll don't know what it's like to be gouged the way we are gouged here, if you did, you wouldn't be gung-ho for protectionism.

[clubgop]

I literally just spit wine on the screen.



Time to go keep doing more of that...

Nice try! You got caught with your hands in the undercover hack bitch cookie jar and now I have you by the ben wa balls.

[Okeefenokee]