“More Democrats Should Be Calling for the Repeal of the Second Amendment”

[Smitty-48]

. . . so I suspect the grunts got better drills.

I had a section commander who fought in the Falklands, he killed an Argie with the bayonet, said he didn't know how many times he stabbed the guy, but it took a long time, and the Argie was kicking and screaming and fighting the whole time, and when the Argie was finally dead, he said he was spent, exhausted, just from the effort of stabbing this guy over and over while the guy was trying to fight him off, he was totally gassed, and probably in shock.

And this was a British Para, in full on warfighting mode, conditioned to kill, and in world class top shape.

Exactly. We watch boxers and MMA fighters trying to maul each other regularly, but they don't die. You see how hard they're fighting just for sport. Throw some adrenaline and survival instinct on top of that - and there's a fight to the death.

I don't want any part of that, thanks. Humans conquered the animal kingdom with our tools, I think I'll stick with the fundamental advantage of my species advantage when it comes to life and death battles. Give me the tools, yo. My ancestors didn't innovate technology for 300k years so I could try to strangle my way out of a homicide attempt.

Absolutely. My caveat is that I don't think junkies are much of a lethal force threat, I think the more plausible threat for having to use lethal force is violent sociopaths and unhinged lunatics, who you may come into dispute with, or otherwise become the object of their ire, followed by them coming after you, and the second to that, particular to women, would be the predatory rapist. '

Thus I would not assume unplanned/unprepared/unresolved attack, easy deterred by bluffing, the family dog, or what have you, anything deterred by that wasn't a lethal force threat to start off with, but when you encounter the guy in your house, in that he's gone so far as to breach that perimeter, he's probably a fuckin' loonie, and he's probably there to kill you specifically.

And, as you've said, whether confronted on your property, or on the streets, the compact concealable high powered revolver is the gun for all seasons and all shooters. Simple, easy, reliable, even under extreme duress, always at hand and concealable, yet packing one hell of a punch.

[Smitty-48]

Like, anecdotal perhaps, but the number of cases I'm aware of where someone had to shoot or was otherwise attacked/killed by a drug addict in their home, around here in Upper Canada? I'm not aware of any.

Number of cases where someone had to shoot or was otherwise attacked/killed by a violent sociopath, unhinged lunatic, or domestic partner gone postal? Fucktons. Happens all the time.

Literally last week a woman was strangled to death by her ex boyfriend, in her home, and when her teenage kids tried to save her, he stabbed them to death too.

And he was a big guy, like a roid beast, and he was known to the police for previously assaulting a police officer, he was no skinny junkie.

Chances of that woman and her two children being alive and relatively well right now, if she had the .357 revolver, and she and her two kids knew how to access it quickly and use it?

[DBTrek]

In “junkie shooting” America only 8% of homeowners who pulled a firearm on an intruder actually wound up shooting them.
92% of the time the invader went with an option that did not involve being shot.

[Smitty-48]

In “junkie shooting” America only 8% of homeowners who pulled a firearm on an intruder actually wound up shooting them.
92% of the time the invader went with an option that did not involve being shot.

Well, I pretty much start from extremis, and work my way back from there, I would guess that most intruders were relatively benign, wrong house, looking for an easy score, was just there to argue about something wasn't actually violent, but there a literally dozens of cases before the courts here, where it was a deliberate targeted attack, generally over some sort of dispute which escalated, or a domestic.

[DrYouth]

Nobody grabbed our guns, I'm armed to the teeth up in here, but mostly for the fun of it, I'm not really packing this heat for junkies, junkies can barely walk straight, you don't need a tomahawk to take a drug addled waif down, never mind a 12 gauge pump.

Well you're right...
I have my firearms licence and my restricted licence... so I have what I need to add a shotgun and/or a handgun to the rifle.

But I had to pass a meaningful firearms test and backround check...

So these guys call that gun grabbin'.... they are pretty clear about it.

I mean I guess trying to put the horse back in the barn at this point would be next to impossible at any rate.

[Smitty-48]

Like, gang related, domestic, and violent lunatic, that covers the vast vast majority of homicides in Canader.

[Smitty-48]

Nobody grabbed our guns, I'm armed to the teeth up in here, but mostly for the fun of it, I'm not really packing this heat for junkies, junkies can barely walk straight, you don't need a tomahawk to take a drug addled waif down, never mind a 12 gauge pump.

Well you're right...
I have my firearms licence and my restricted licence... so I have what I need to add a shotgun and/or a handgun to the rifle.

But I had to pass a meaningful firearms test and backround check...

Meaningful how? CPIC check and two day course a monkey could pass? That's security theater balderdash if there ever was.

I would submit, zero effect on gang related, domestic, violent lunatic.

James Rosco didn't have his restricted FAC? Yes he did. Justin Bourque didn't have his restricted FAC? Yes he did.

[Smitty-48]

Like, I've known plenty of guys who were/are prospective lunatics one step away from going postal, and they had no criminal records, and they acquired their restricted FAC, no problemo, and they specifically acquired the restricted FAC with the purpose of having the guns they wanted for the day when they decided they were going to go on a rampage. Literally said so, made no bones about it.

[DrYouth]

Like, I've known plenty of guys who were/are prospective lunatics one step away from going postal, and they had no criminal records, and they acquired their restricted FAC, no problemo, and they specifically acquired the restricted FAC with the purpose of having the guns they wanted for the day when they decided they were going to go on a rampage. Literally said so, made no bones about it.

I don't dispute this at all...

Now way to dissuade all the lunatics short of making all firearms off limits... in which case they can mow people down with vehicles, pipe bombs or whatever...

But the Canadian system has more checks in it, on average, than the USA... and that's rights infringement everytime I check with the good folks here on the forum.

[Smitty-48]

I've also known plenty of gang members, and I can tell you that the firepower they had, like AK-47s and whatnot, that was actually smuggled into the country by transnational multi-billion dollar criminal cartels via the ports, Chinese, Russian, Latin American etcetera, and then sold down the line to the streets from on high, it wasn't bought at Ontario Automart with an FAC.