jediuser598 wrote:I don't know that the state prizes liberty over life in all cases. If I try to take my life, they'll restrain me and try to prevent me from practicing my liberty in such a way, or if someone asks for my assistance in taking their life (Kavorkian) the state prevents that.
Hash, that's the state choosing life over liberty.
Washington (my State) & Oregon allow physician assisted suicide. (Liberty over life.)
Postby Speaker to Animals » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:49 pm
You are flailing, Martin. Again: go tell an abortion survivor she is not a human being. You resorting to "mysticism" and anti-religious rhetoric only shows you lost. This doesn't have anything to do with religion. It's right and wrong. Murder is wrong, Martin.
These are real people, Martin. Human beings. They had the right to life. They had the right to liberty. But abortionists tried to take that away from them.
Martin Hash wrote:Baby steps. Mysticism is still big even in Washington & Oregon.
p.s. We can smoke pot too.
I'm not a believer that the state can do no right. For suicidal people, how many people that were stopped from committing suicide by the state, are alive and dissatisfied with the state interference?
I also don't believe civilized societies should allow dueling.
Thy praise or dispraise is to me alike:
One doth not stroke me, nor the other strike.
-Ben Johnson
Speaker to Animals wrote:You are flailing, Martin. Again: go tell an abortion survivor she is not a human being. You resorting to "mysticism" and anti-religious rhetoric only shows you lost. This doesn't have anything to do with religion. It's right and wrong. Murder is wrong.
Of course it's wrong. But you know that's not where the core of the abortion debate really lies.
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Speaker to Animals wrote:You are flailing, Martin. Again: go tell an abortion survivor she is not a human being. You resorting to "mysticism" and anti-religious rhetoric only shows you lost. This doesn't have anything to do with religion. It's right and wrong. Murder is wrong.
Of course it's wrong. But you know that's not where the core of the abortion debate really lies.
Postby Speaker to Animals » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:16 pm
de officiis wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:You are flailing, Martin. Again: go tell an abortion survivor she is not a human being. You resorting to "mysticism" and anti-religious rhetoric only shows you lost. This doesn't have anything to do with religion. It's right and wrong. Murder is wrong.
Of course it's wrong. But you know that's not where the core of the abortion debate really lies.
It wasn't where the core of the abolition debate was found either. Until it was.
jediuser598 wrote:I also don't believe civilized societies should allow dueling.
You must have read this week's "The Oregonian" article about a bill to allow dueling. (Personally, I think it's a gimmick.)
Lol. Liberals being more small government than conservatives.
The issues go hand in hand. If we should be free to kill ourselves we should be free to kill each other if they're consenting adults. In principle it's very liberty centric, but the consequences to our society are bad.
Thy praise or dispraise is to me alike:
One doth not stroke me, nor the other strike.
-Ben Johnson
jediuser598 wrote:I also don't believe civilized societies should allow dueling.
You must have read this week's "The Oregonian" article about a bill to allow dueling. (Personally, I think it's a gimmick.)
Lol. Liberals being more small government than conservatives.
The issues go hand in hand. If we should be free to kill ourselves we should be free to kill each other if they're consenting adults. In principle it's very liberty centric, but the consequences to our society are bad.
It's quite a tight-rope, and changes as people's attitudes change.
