Our Guy Flynn

[Speaker to Animals]

Here is a firsthand account of the extermination of the Carthaginian people:

[129] Then came new scenes of horror. As the fire spread and carried everything down, the soldiers did not wait to destroy the buildings little by little, but all in a heap. So the crashing grew louder, and many corpses fell with the stones into the midst. Others were seen still living, especially old men, women, and young children who had hidden in the inmost nooks of the houses, some of them wounded, some more or less burned, and uttering piteous cries. Still others, thrust out and falling from such a height with the stones, timbers, and fire, were torn asunder in all shapes of horror, crushed and mangled.

Nor was this the end of their miseries, for the street cleaners, who were removing the rubbish with axes, mattocks, and forks, and making the roads passable, tossed with these instruments the dead and the living together into holes in the ground, dragging them along like sticks and stones and turning them over with their iron tools. Trenches were filled with men. Some who were thrown in head foremost, with their legs sticking out of the ground, writhed a long time. Others fell with their feet downward and their heads above ground. Horses ran over them, crushing their faces and skulls, not purposely on the part of the riders, but in their headlong haste. Nor did the street cleaners do these things on purpose; but the tug of war, the glory of approaching victory, the rush of the soldiery, the orders of the officers, the blast of the trumpets, tribunes and centurions marching their cohorts hither and thither - all together made everybody frantic and heedless of the spectacles under their eyes.

[130] Six days and nights were consumed in this kind of fighting, the soldiers being changed so that they might not be worn out with toil, slaughter, want of sleep, and these horrid sights. Scipio alone toiled without rest, hurrying here and there, without sleep, taking food while he was at work, until, utterly fatigued and relaxed, he sat down on a high place where he could overlook the work.

Much remained to be ravaged, and it seemed likely that the carnage would be of longer duration, but on the seventh day some suppliants presented themselves to Scipio bearing the sacred garlands of Aesculapius, whose temple was much the richest and most renowned of all in the citadel.

These, taking olive branchesnote from the temple, besought Scipio that he would spare the lives of all who might wish to depart from Byrsa. This he granted to all except the deserters. Forthwith there came out 50,000 men and women together, a narrow gate in the wall being opened, and a guard furnished for them.

The Roman deserters, about 900 in number, despairing of their lives, betook themselves to the temple of Aesculapius with Hasdrubal and his wife and their two boys. Here they might have defended themselves a long time although they were few in number, on account of the height and rocky nature of the place, which in time of peace was reached by an ascent of sixty steps. But, finally, overcome by hunger, want of sleep, fear, toil, and approaching dissolution, they abandoned the enclosures of the temple and fled to the shrine and roof.

-- Appian of Alexandria

[Smitty-48]

Well, whatever, I don't know what college you supposedly went to, but if they didn't teach you what a specific to general fallacy was, while teaching you that the Roman Empire was an empire of extermination, sounds like it was the University of Gumball Machine.

Sputter and rage on like a prattlng idiot, as you always do, you still fail Roman History 101 regardless; F

[Speaker to Animals]

The last time any group of westerners had the stomach to build an empire like that ended in with the death of Hitler. If you want to count the Slavs as part of our civilization, then maybe at the death of Stalin.

Americans have no stomach to build an empire like that. That day may come, but not today.

[Speaker to Animals]

Well, whatever, I don't know what college you supposedly went to, but if they didn't teach you what a specific to general fallacy was, while teaching you that the Roman Empire was an empire of extermination, sounds like it was the University of Gumball Machine.

You don't know what you are talking about. You are blathering about fallacies you don't understand, and ignoring the fact that you were refuted with demonstrable evidence, both archaeological and firsthand account.

[Smitty-48]

Well, whatever, I don't know what college you supposedly went to, but if they didn't teach you what a specific to general fallacy was, while teaching you that the Roman Empire was an empire of extermination, sounds like it was the University of Gumball Machine.

You don't know what you are talking about. You are blathering about fallacies you don't understand, and ignoring the fact that you were refuted with demonstrable evidence, both archaeological and firsthand account.

You're into triple fallacy territory, specific to general, cherry picking, and the appeal to the authority of U of Gumball Machine as well.

[Speaker to Animals]

LMFAO

You are fucking ridiculous.

You stated the Romans didn't genocide people as a matter of state policy.

I provided you with five examples.

I provided you with firsthand accounts and archaeological evidence.

Your assertion is false. I am done playing this silly game with you. Go read a book.

Here's my suggestion for a start:

http://www.livius.org/sources/content/a ... rs-26/#129

It's free. No excuse to continue on in ignorance about this.

[Smitty-48]

Again, you keep doubling and tripling down on the same idiotic fallacies, specific to general, cherry picking, appeal to authority, and in addition, conflating military battles of anihliation with mass extermination of whole populations, which is not actually the case, not even at Carthage.

Moreover, you invoke policy, when in fact, as I have pointed out, your cherry picked specific to gereral fallacy examples were radical departures from Roman policy, again, rare exceptions rather than the rule.

[Speaker to Animals]

You really are fucking ridiculous.

[Okeefenokee]

The Romans did not exterminate entire peoples

[Smitty-48]

The Romans did not exterminate entire peoples, the Romans didn't even exterminate the Carthaginians, they destroyed the city, but they did not exterminate the people, you'll note that 50,000 citizens of Carthage were sold into slavery, and after the battle, the Romans delcared the land around Carthage to be public land, which they allowed farmers to use, both Roman, and local North Aficans formerly under the rule of Carthage.

The "salting of the fields of Carthage" is not even factual, that is a myth invented in the 19th century.