Haven't been around for a while...

[clubgop]

You see that SJW'S? Now we have a gun grabber who said something that while true maybe construed as racist? Now is it? Or am I asking you to divide by 0?

Do we have any SJW members here, or are you talking to the ones in your head?

Non sequitur.

Man, the BAR association of MHF is gunning at dirty dick with reckless abandon. It's so not fair, but it's so entertaining.

[clubgop]

Wait what? He's not even wrong though. What's the context? How is he being racist and full of white privilege by stating the hate facts?

Not my rules.
Saul Alinsky rules for radicals #4: Make the enemy live their values.

[TheReal_ND]

But this just makes you look disengenuos. If Saul's rules worked so well Hilary would have been 50 points ahead already. The Fabian socialists are the only thing keeping this steaming pile of shit going for the left and that's because they planned this shit out decades in advance.

[SuburbanFarmer]

But this just makes you look disengenuos. If Saul's rules worked so well Hilary would have been 50 points ahead already. The Fabian socialists are the only thing keeping this steaming pile of shit going for the left and that's because they planned this shit out decades in advance.

[clubgop]

But this just makes you look disengenuos. If Saul's rules worked so well Hilary would have been 50 points ahead already. The Fabian socialists are the only thing keeping this steaming pile of shit going for the left and that's because they planned this shit out decades in advance.

If I hold someone to their own shitty rules that is not disingenuous, it's demonstrative. Saul rules worked. Worked so well the radical became the establishment. Once she was there she had no play book, except to call everything racist, hence rule 4. Buck up, buttercup. Look around Pepe we're the radicals we don't live by their rules hell we dont live by much if any rules, but we are going to enforce their stupid SJW rules on them and have fun while doing it. The fabians? Did you consult Monty on that? Look at some numbers, Labour is worse off than the Democrats.

[jbird4049]

There are ways of reducing gun deaths without anymore restrictions on their purchase

I would love to see your plan for prying guns away from the demographic responsible for the massive majority of gun fatalities.

Reducing, not eliminating gun deaths, not gun ownership...

There are ways of reducing gun deaths without anymore restrictions on their purchase

I would love to see your plan for prying guns away from the demographic responsible for the massive majority of gun fatalities.

Black teenagers?

Let's set that hot seat for me, shall we?

Wait for it..

And...

Of the very roughly 30,000 death by gunshot each, about 2/3 are suicides, and the remainder homicides. Of course, that includes home break-ins, police shooting, and other defensive uses besides straight up murder.

Taking the harder, and less political hot, suicide prevention. The lack of adequate mental health funding in this country is beyond a joke, it is evil. Jails, and prisons, are used to warehouse the mentally ill, with much of the remainder going homeless. Hell, much of the homeless are mentally ill. Anyways, if the mental health system was fully funding our unemployment rate might go up, but our jails would lose much of their population, and fewer people would want to eat a gun. Of course there all the other problems in our society that often contribute to illnesses such as depression, but one thing at a time I guess. Of course this is very expensive, and mental health treatment is the first thing cut, and the last funded. (If you want to see some foaming rants, go talk to someone who works in the system. At least, words will be spoken. Trust me. )

Now for the hot potato.

First the areas full of poor people, are full of mentally ill people, especially depression (surprising, huh?). Those areas with a lot of homicides also suffer from massive PTSD. Considering that it is not uncommon for children to see homicide victims almost routinely in some areas that shouldn't really be surprising. Stuff like that messes people's minds. Fully funding mental health would be a good thing.

Second, in many places the police are not trusted, or called (and in places like New Orleans, Chicago, or Baltimore police departments can anyone blame them?) which means guns are a major method of dispute resolutions. Car scratches, load noises, whatever. Next, much of the shooting is defensive, if not retaliatory. Think of the Hatfields & McCoys As in OMFG is that the dude that shoot my friend/kid/neighbor/wife/grandparent/etc. were my gun??? Panic! There are successful organizations that have dramatically reduced such shooting, by using former gang members to talk with, reason with, such, especially right after shootings. Most people don't want to kill anyone, and getting them to talk with others usually works. (Of course, such programs still require some funding. Which is cut faster than mental health, especially when they work (fewer deaths right? )

Third, there are those who use guns for their business acquisitions and mergers, which is a real problem. For that the police can focus on them. The actual number of killers is low. Restated, most murders are committed by a few people.

This is especially true when it is "business" and not panicky defensive, or grief/rage, shootings. The best way for that is a combined police/community service program. The gang leaders, maybe general members, or even just specific troublesome individuals are "invited" to an office, or a community center, someplace not threatening. Bribes of a meal, plus maybe gift cards, or even small amounts of cash like $20-50. So during the meal, while looking at their presents, they are told we all want the murders to stop, so here's some counselors, maybe trained therapists, negotiators, perhaps retired gang members to help. Please tell us, and them, what you need. A community center? Some jobs? Some help navigating the social services? Something else? What would help you? We will do our best to get it. We will also ask that you come into other meetings like this where gang members, police, social services, and perhaps some government officials can all have beer and pizza and talk. Then after the sweet talking, they are told that any gang that doesn't stop will immediately have constant police attention and will face arrests for anything and everything. Further, the search and arrest warrants are already signed. However, those who stop will get the help while not facing any extra police attention. And probably less.



So actually funding mental health. (Re)Start violence interruption programs for the community's general dysfunctional violence. (Re)Start combined police/community service programs to deal specially with gang violence.

This is not untested. The programs dealing directly with the violence are successful because most people don't want to kill anyone, let alone being killed. It's something that crosses almost all societies. If a community can do away with murder as normal, they are very happy to do so. To the point where, gang member themselves will call the police if some gang tries to bring back the old violence.

[TheReal_ND]

White poors out number black poors. Try again sweetie.

[SuburbanFarmer]

There are ways of reducing gun deaths without anymore restrictions on their purchase

I would love to see your plan for prying guns away from the demographic responsible for the massive majority of gun fatalities.

Reducing, not eliminating gun deaths, not gun ownership...

I would love to see your plan for prying guns away from the demographic responsible for the massive majority of gun fatalities.

Black teenagers?

Let's set that hot seat for me, shall we?

Wait for it..

And...

Of the very roughly 30,000 death by gunshot each, about 2/3 are suicides, and the remainder homicides. Of course, that includes home break-ins, police shooting, and other defensive uses besides straight up murder.

Taking the harder, and less political hot, suicide prevention. The lack of adequate mental health funding in this country is beyond a joke, it is evil. Jails, and prisons, are used to warehouse the mentally ill, with much of the remainder going homeless. Hell, much of the homeless are mentally ill. Anyways, if the mental health system was fully funding our unemployment rate might go up, but our jails would lose much of their population, and fewer people would want to eat a gun. Of course there all the other problems in our society that often contribute to illnesses such as depression, but one thing at a time I guess. Of course this is very expensive, and mental health treatment is the first thing cut, and the last funded. (If you want to see some foaming rants, go talk to someone who works in the system. At least, words will be spoken. Trust me. )

Now for the hot potato.

First the areas full of poor people, are full of mentally ill people, especially depression (surprising, huh?). Those areas with a lot of homicides also suffer from massive PTSD. Considering that it is not uncommon for children to see homicide victims almost routinely in some areas that shouldn't really be surprising. Stuff like that messes people's minds. Fully funding mental health would be a good thing.

Second, in many places the police are not trusted, or called (and in places like New Orleans, Chicago, or Baltimore police departments can anyone blame them?) which means guns are a major method of dispute resolutions. Car scratches, load noises, whatever. Next, much of the shooting is defensive, if not retaliatory. Think of the Hatfields & McCoys As in OMFG is that the dude that shoot my friend/kid/neighbor/wife/grandparent/etc. were my gun??? Panic! There are successful organizations that have dramatically reduced such shooting, by using former gang members to talk with, reason with, such, especially right after shootings. Most people don't want to kill anyone, and getting them to talk with others usually works. (Of course, such programs still require some funding. Which is cut faster than mental health, especially when they work (fewer deaths right? )

Third, there are those who use guns for their business acquisitions and mergers, which is a real problem. For that the police can focus on them. The actual number of killers is low. Restated, most murders are committed by a few people.

This is especially true when it is "business" and not panicky defensive, or grief/rage, shootings. The best way for that is a combined police/community service program. The gang leaders, maybe general members, or even just specific troublesome individuals are "invited" to an office, or a community center, someplace not threatening. Bribes of a meal, plus maybe gift cards, or even small amounts of cash like $20-50. So during the meal, while looking at their presents, they are told we all want the murders to stop, so here's some counselors, maybe trained therapists, negotiators, perhaps retired gang members to help. Please tell us, and them, what you need. A community center? Some jobs? Some help navigating the social services? Something else? What would help you? We will do our best to get it. We will also ask that you come into other meetings like this where gang members, police, social services, and perhaps some government officials can all have beer and pizza and talk. Then after the sweet talking, they are told that any gang that doesn't stop will immediately have constant police attention and will face arrests for anything and everything. Further, the search and arrest warrants are already signed. However, those who stop will get the help while not facing any extra police attention. And probably less.



So actually funding mental health. (Re)Start violence interruption programs for the community's general dysfunctional violence. (Re)Start combined police/community service programs to deal specially with gang violence.

This is not untested. The programs dealing directly with the violence are successful because most people don't want to kill anyone, let alone being killed. It's something that crosses almost all societies. If a community can do away with murder as normal, they are very happy to do so. To the point where, gang member themselves will call the police if some gang tries to bring back the old violence.

Good post.

[clubgop]

I would love to see your plan for prying guns away from the demographic responsible for the massive majority of gun fatalities.

Reducing, not eliminating gun deaths, not gun ownership...

Black teenagers?

Let's set that hot seat for me, shall we?

Wait for it..

And...

Of the very roughly 30,000 death by gunshot each, about 2/3 are suicides, and the remainder homicides. Of course, that includes home break-ins, police shooting, and other defensive uses besides straight up murder.

Taking the harder, and less political hot, suicide prevention. The lack of adequate mental health funding in this country is beyond a joke, it is evil. Jails, and prisons, are used to warehouse the mentally ill, with much of the remainder going homeless. Hell, much of the homeless are mentally ill. Anyways, if the mental health system was fully funding our unemployment rate might go up, but our jails would lose much of their population, and fewer people would want to eat a gun. Of course there all the other problems in our society that often contribute to illnesses such as depression, but one thing at a time I guess. Of course this is very expensive, and mental health treatment is the first thing cut, and the last funded. (If you want to see some foaming rants, go talk to someone who works in the system. At least, words will be spoken. Trust me. )

Now for the hot potato.

First the areas full of poor people, are full of mentally ill people, especially depression (surprising, huh?). Those areas with a lot of homicides also suffer from massive PTSD. Considering that it is not uncommon for children to see homicide victims almost routinely in some areas that shouldn't really be surprising. Stuff like that messes people's minds. Fully funding mental health would be a good thing.

Second, in many places the police are not trusted, or called (and in places like New Orleans, Chicago, or Baltimore police departments can anyone blame them?) which means guns are a major method of dispute resolutions. Car scratches, load noises, whatever. Next, much of the shooting is defensive, if not retaliatory. Think of the Hatfields & McCoys As in OMFG is that the dude that shoot my friend/kid/neighbor/wife/grandparent/etc. were my gun??? Panic! There are successful organizations that have dramatically reduced such shooting, by using former gang members to talk with, reason with, such, especially right after shootings. Most people don't want to kill anyone, and getting them to talk with others usually works. (Of course, such programs still require some funding. Which is cut faster than mental health, especially when they work (fewer deaths right? )

Third, there are those who use guns for their business acquisitions and mergers, which is a real problem. For that the police can focus on them. The actual number of killers is low. Restated, most murders are committed by a few people.

This is especially true when it is "business" and not panicky defensive, or grief/rage, shootings. The best way for that is a combined police/community service program. The gang leaders, maybe general members, or even just specific troublesome individuals are "invited" to an office, or a community center, someplace not threatening. Bribes of a meal, plus maybe gift cards, or even small amounts of cash like $20-50. So during the meal, while looking at their presents, they are told we all want the murders to stop, so here's some counselors, maybe trained therapists, negotiators, perhaps retired gang members to help. Please tell us, and them, what you need. A community center? Some jobs? Some help navigating the social services? Something else? What would help you? We will do our best to get it. We will also ask that you come into other meetings like this where gang members, police, social services, and perhaps some government officials can all have beer and pizza and talk. Then after the sweet talking, they are told that any gang that doesn't stop will immediately have constant police attention and will face arrests for anything and everything. Further, the search and arrest warrants are already signed. However, those who stop will get the help while not facing any extra police attention. And probably less.



So actually funding mental health. (Re)Start violence interruption programs for the community's general dysfunctional violence. (Re)Start combined police/community service programs to deal specially with gang violence.

This is not untested. The programs dealing directly with the violence are successful because most people don't want to kill anyone, let alone being killed. It's something that crosses almost all societies. If a community can do away with murder as normal, they are very happy to do so. To the point where, gang member themselves will call the police if some gang tries to bring back the old violence.

Good post.

But he doesn't take any guns so in the end you hate.

[jbird4049]

Good post.

But he doesn't take any guns so in the end you hate.

The post was not about hate guns, but about my belief that deaths by gun could be seriously reduced even without gun confiscation, or any new restrictions, if the issue was doing so, instead of using guns as a political marketing ploy.