Civil War Doomsday Clock

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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:05 am

Well, as I already posted the research that showed marijuana legalization has led to a spike in psychosis in states like Colorado and California, you know you don't really have any rational basis to defend that position any longer, so you obviously just want to be bitchy about it.

But to the point I made here before you decided to go ex-wife on me and bitch about me proving you wrong in another thread..

The libertarian woo woo article stated it was a good thing homosexuals are celebrated because they used to be treated like potential "predators". Well:
While a homosexual cannot automatically be considered a child molester, nevertheless there is cause for concern, Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education in suburban Louisville, Ky., and a social researcher who has studied sexual behavior for 25 years, stated in a May 2001 article in Baptist Press.

Reisman noted, first, that 17-24 percent of boys are abused by age 18, nearly as many as the 25 percent of girls. Then, she noted, since heterosexuals outnumber the homosexual population about 44 to 1, as a group the incidence of homosexuals molesting children is up to 40 times greater than heterosexuals.

"You're looking at a much higher rate of abuse," said Reisman, a former university research professor who had completed a study titled, "Crafting Gay Children." Department of Justice data at the time showed the rate of abuse by homosexuals as "off the charts," she said.

An extensive analysis titled "Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse" by Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D., senior fellow for culture studies at the Family Research Council in Washington, is available on the Internet at www.frc.org/get/is02e3.cfm.

Dailey, in his study spanning 13 pages and 76 footnotes, wrote, "Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offense. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population."

Referencing "the 10 percent fallacy," Dailey noted, "Studies indicate that, contrary to the inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population." Among such studies, Dailey wrote, are those in the journal Demography in May 2000, in the journal Family Planning Perspectives in March/April 1993 and the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior in 1993.

Thus, Dailey wrote, "The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls."

Dailey concluded his article by noting: "For too many boys it is already too late to protect them from those who took advantage of their need for love and attention. All too many later perpetrate the abuse by themselves engaging in the sexual abuse of boys. Only by exposing the lies, insincere denials, and deceptions -- including those wrapped in scholastic garb -- of those who prey sexually on children, can we hope to build a wall of protection around the helpless children among us."

Yet the erroneous assertions abound. In a story that aired on CBS' "60 Minutes" in April 2001, for example, correspondent Lesley Stahl asserted that the FBI and several clinical studies published in reputable journals report that homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse boys.

"In fact," Stahl asserted, "the largest database of child molesters in the country shows that those who molest boys are over three times more likely to be heterosexual in their adult relationships than homosexual."

But Reisman, in the Baptist Press article, pointed to figures from a 1991 population study by the U.S. Department of Commerce. The study showed that 8 million girls were abused by age 18 by heterosexual men, a ratio of 1 victim to 11 adult men -- while 6 million to 8 million boys were abused by age 18 by 1 million to 2 million adult homosexuals, a ratio of 3 to 5 victims for every gay adult.
http://www.bpnews.net/14145/homosexuals ... xual-abuse

Homosexuals are far more likely to be abusers of teenagers and children (pederast and pedophile) than people of normal heterosexuality. So it seems odd one would defend celebrating sodomy by arguing we used to worry this aberrant behavior could lead to victimization of minors.

But then one might claim predator is a broad term and could apply to adults as well. True that.
CDC’s National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey is a first-of-its-kind study geared to determine the difference between the victimization of men and women by sexual orientation. The results show that men and women involved in homosexual behavior undergo much higher rates of sexual violence than men and women who are heterosexual.

Surprising to many, homosexual women experience more violence than men. According to the study, a whopping 44 percent of lesbians were either raped, experienced physical abuse, and/or were stalked by their intimate partners during their lifetime. Even more shockingly, 61 percent of bisexual women endured such violence from their partners.

It is also reported that 37 percent of bisexual women indicated they were stalked, which is more than double the rate that heterosexual women experience from their male partners. Furthermore, the CDC found that 37 percent of bisexual women were injured during the rape, physical violence, and/or stalking that they experienced at the hands of their sexual partners.

Tragically, 48 percent of bisexual women who reported that they were raped said that their first experience of being raped occurred when they were adolescents between the ages of 11 and 17.

The research also shows that 26 percent of homosexual men experienced rape, physical violence and/or stalking by their intimate partners. It’s even higher for bisexual men, who experience these types of assaults at a rate of 37 percent.

Refusing to interpret the numbers?

Refuting many of the claims by LGBT activists that homosexual behavior is a natural biological condition, the CDC report found that a large percentage of homosexual transgenders and bisexual women experienced sexual violence during their childhood years, which could have likely resulted in their choices in adulthood to adopt a homosexual lifestyle. Even though the government agency would not make an official determination that such early exposure to sexual violence was the cause of men and women ultimately choosing to engage in homosexual behavior, the statistics themselves appear to point to such a connection.

However, despite the numbers indicating otherwise, the homosexual activist organization Human Rights Campaign (HRC) claims that “poverty, stigma, and marginalization” are the cause of sexual violence.

"We also face higher rates of hate-motivated violence … the ways in which society … stigmatizes our relationships can lead to intimate partner violence that stems from internalized homophobia and shame," the HRC alleges.

However pro-family media outlets point out that those advocating traditional values are quick to bring light to the fact that those engaging in homosexual behavior often come from a violent past.

“[C]ritics of the gay agenda say violence is intrinsic to the inner-conflicted homosexual orientation,” Lifenews.com’s Mark Hodges reports. “[C]ritics say sodomy itself is a violent act of hate, not love, and the high rate of violence among homosexuals is not surprising.”

Even LGBT leaders have conceded that those in the homosexual community tend to ignore the prevalence of sexual violence between its members.

"Until recently, [LGBTQ] intra-community sexual assault went largely unacknowledged, particularly for women who have sex with women," National Center for Lesbian Rights Reproductive Justice Fellow Lauren Paulk admitted. "A particularly disturbing dynamic arises when the assaults are perpetrated by other LGBT community members."

Paulk says that the LGBT community has rationalized or ignored such violence for various reasons.

“Denial, misrecognition and the dismissal of outside-the-community concern as latent homophobia are examples of responses to sexual assault that occurs between members of the LGBT community," the homosexual activist explained. "Survivors of assault may not know where to turn, either because they fear they will not be believed or supported, or because they do not want to malign another member of the community or reinforce negative stereotypes."
https://onenewsnow.com/culture/2015/12/ ... ly-violent


So going back to the original claim made by this libertarian writer..

"All of it is an awesome reflection of a positive cultural shift toward public inclusion of a class of people who were once treated like predators and sex fiends."

Why should we "include" a class of people who engage in behavior that predisposes them to sexual assault and violence? Where does that make sense?

I look forward to your womanlike bitching about this one in yet another unrelated thread.

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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by StCapps » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:10 am

Where is the proof that it was marijuana legalization that caused the increased psychosis rates? Correlation does not equal causation, and even if psychosis went up in states that legalized marijuana, that isn't proof that it's the pot that did it, or the legalization that did it.

Perhaps the psychosis rates were going up before pot legalization, perhaps legalization has very little to do with any increase in rates there was. A lot of things could explain the increase in psychosis that has nothing to do with pot and/or legalization.

Pot legalization + increased psychosis rates = pot legalization did it
That's fallacious on the face of it, without further evidence to back up that assertion.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by pineapplemike » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:37 am

you're too easy speaker

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Post by Zlaxer » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:48 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:05 am
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:16 am

StCapps wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:10 am
Where is the proof that it was marijuana legalization that caused the increased psychosis rates? Correlation does not equal causation, and even if psychosis went up in states that legalized marijuana, that isn't proof that it's the pot that did it, or the legalization that did it.

Perhaps the psychosis rates were going up before pot legalization, perhaps legalization has very little to do with any increase in rates there was. A lot of things could explain the increase in psychosis that has nothing to do with pot and/or legalization.

Pot legalization + increased psychosis rates = pot legalization did it
That's fallacious on the face of it, without further evidence to back up that assertion.
Is there any evidence that pot smoking has dramatically increased since legalisation?
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:29 am

StCapps wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:10 am
Where is the proof that it was marijuana legalization that caused the increased psychosis rates? Correlation does not equal causation, and even if psychosis went up in states that legalized marijuana, that isn't proof that it's the pot that did it, or the legalization that did it.

Perhaps the psychosis rates were going up before pot legalization, perhaps legalization has very little to do with any increase in rates there was. A lot of things could explain the increase in psychosis that has nothing to do with pot and/or legalization.

Pot legalization + increased psychosis rates = pot legalization did it
That's fallacious on the face of it, without further evidence to back up that assertion.

Proven fact.
The study found that those who used pot daily were three times more likely to have a psychotic episode compared with someone who never used the drug.

Those who started using cannabis at 15 or younger had a slightly more elevated risk than those who started using in later years.

Use of high-potency weed almost doubled the odds of having psychosis compared with someone who had never smoked weed, explains Di Forti.

And for those who used high-potency pot on a daily basis, the risk of psychosis was even greater — four times greater than those who had never used.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... -psychosis


How does that not warrant regulation of a drug? We had bath salts causing psychosis at a lower rate and we put that shit right on schedule I in no time.

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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:36 am

Seven signs of denial in an addict:
1. Anger – An addict who is in denial of their addiction might become angry or defensive when accused of overuse of a substance. This guilt and anger is often found in addicts who realize that they have a problem, but who try to deny that it is serious, or prefer to hide it. Anger is typically based around guilt and self-defense, and is usually used as a defense. Why? In many cases, the addict either sees addiction as shameful, and therefore the accusation as offensive, or the person sees the accusers belief that they (who are not addicted) are addicted is offensive. In either case, a person who is angry when asked about their substance use, addiction, or any facet of their addiction is likely in denial. Standing up to anger can be difficult, but in most cases, the best approach is to avoid accusation, discuss why it’s okay and why it’s not, and focus on being non-judgemental as you discuss options.

2. Excuses – Excuses are almost always a sign of denial in an addict because they stem from the inability or the unwillingness of the addict to face their addiction and the possible shame, guilt, or other repercussions that may come with it. Here, you will most often hear statements like “If it weren’t for X I wouldn’t need these pills”, “I drink because I’m stressed”, “I have to keep using because I can’t afford downtime to withdraw” and so on. This type of denial is very hard to deal with because the person looks for an outside reason for their substance use and will not find an internal one until they cannot rely on excuses anymore. However, no one chooses to become addicted. Addictions are often created through small choices that build up on each other, often driven by stress, so that by the time the person realizes they are addicted, it’s too late. Approaching an addict with sympathy, compassion, and the rationalization that it is not their fault will help you to get through to them.

3. Rationalizing Problems – Rationalizing problems because of an external factor, rationalizing them as logical or normal, or excusing them as a normal result of a situation is a sign of denial in addiction. For example, a person who says, “I will get clean when X happens”, “I won’t need Xanax once I get a new job”, is trying to rationalize their addiction as a normal result of their life. By finding ‘reasons’ for their addiction, substance abusers tell themselves that it is okay, they can continue, and there is no shame in not stopping.

4. Blame – If someone is actively blaming someone else for their addiction, they are in denial about their own guilt. Blame is the active transference of the responsibility for the addiction to someone else. Statements like: “I drink because you nag me”, “I need this because my dad abused me”, “Why can’t you just be happy. This is why I keep using” are all signs of blame. This kind of denial usually stems from guilt and anger, and is difficult to combat without third-party intervention, because the person blaming will likely never listen to the person they are blaming.

5. Avoidance – In some cases, addicts will simply avoid their addiction and the fact that they are addicted. This can result in avoiding issues, redirecting conversations, simply leaving a conversation they don’t like, and otherwise ignoring issues by not facing them. A very common example is that many substance abusers will use more when confronted with the concept of their addiction. “I can quit anytime I want to”, is something that addicts who are avoiding the reality of their addiction frequently say.

6. Lying – Lying about substance use, staying clean, or where they’ve been are all very common signs of denial in addiction. In most cases, a person in denial will start lying out of a sense of guilt or shame, may hide bottles and pill-taking, and will typically use when alone or out of sight. This can develop into habitually hiding and lying about their substance use to the point where they can believe their own lies.

7. Refusing Help – An addict who refuses help is most often in denial about their addiction or their ability to get clean on their own. Unfortunately, you cannot make someone who doesn’t want help to get help, simply because recovery relies on a great deal of personal motivation. However, you can help an addict to visit a rehabilitation clinic, where cognitive behavioral therapy and other therapy may help them to find the motivation they need to stay clean.
https://lighthousetreatment.com/7-signs ... an-addict/


All of these on full display by drug addicts when I mention their drug habits are dangerous.

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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by StCapps » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:05 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:29 am
StCapps wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:10 am
Where is the proof that it was marijuana legalization that caused the increased psychosis rates? Correlation does not equal causation, and even if psychosis went up in states that legalized marijuana, that isn't proof that it's the pot that did it, or the legalization that did it.

Perhaps the psychosis rates were going up before pot legalization, perhaps legalization has very little to do with any increase in rates there was. A lot of things could explain the increase in psychosis that has nothing to do with pot and/or legalization.

Pot legalization + increased psychosis rates = pot legalization did it
That's fallacious on the face of it, without further evidence to back up that assertion.

Proven fact.
The study found that those who used pot daily were three times more likely to have a psychotic episode compared with someone who never used the drug.

Those who started using cannabis at 15 or younger had a slightly more elevated risk than those who started using in later years.

Use of high-potency weed almost doubled the odds of having psychosis compared with someone who had never smoked weed, explains Di Forti.

And for those who used high-potency pot on a daily basis, the risk of psychosis was even greater — four times greater than those who had never used.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... -psychosis


How does that not warrant regulation of a drug? We had bath salts causing psychosis at a lower rate and we put that shit right on schedule I in no time.
In other words, no connection to legalization, pure correlation equals causation speculation on your part. More moving the goalposts, what a clown.
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Re: Civil War Doomsday Clock

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:29 pm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034083/
Patients with schizophrenia are more prone to substance abuse than the general population [4]. Among them, 25% have a lifetime prevalence of cannabis abuse/dependence, the most widely used illicit psychoactive substance
In regular users, cannabis induces euphoria, perceptual illusions, tachycardia, analgesia, memory and concentration alterations, and other cognitive deficits.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3138655/
A number of studies suggest a dysregulation of the endogenous cannabinoid system in schizophrenia
(SCZ).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104335/
In the present study, we investigate (using Voxel-based Morphometry) gray matter changes in a group of regular cannabis smokers in comparison with a group of occasional smokers matched by the years of cannabis use. We provide evidence that regular cannabis use is associated with gray matter volume reduction in the medial temporal cortex, temporal pole, parahippocampal gyrus, insula, and orbitofrontal cortex
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/
There is now reasonable evidence from longitudinal studies that regular cannabis use predicts an increased risk of schizophrenia and of reporting psychotic symptoms.

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Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:31 pm

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https://www.drugabuse.gov/news-events/n ... nnectivity
A NIDA-funded brain imaging study has shown that regular users of marijuana have less gray matter than nonusers of the drug in the orbitofrontal cortex (OFC), a brain region that contributes to impulse control, decision-making, and learning. Such a deficit could make it more difficult to change counterproductive behaviors, including drug use.
https://centerforanxietydisorders.com/c ... e-anxiety/
THC, the primary chemical in marijuana, is believed to stimulate areas of the brain responsible for feelings of fear.

According to available scientific literature, people who use weed have higher levels of depression and depressive symptoms than those who do not use cannabis.

Frequent or heavy use in adolescence can be a predictor of depression or anxiety later on in life – especially for girls.

Even if using cannabis seems to alleviate symptoms in the short-term for some users, it can lead to delay in getting appropriate treatment.

A 2015 study found that university-aged young adults are more likely to have a higher risk of developing depression from heavy marijuana use.